One terrorist less

[rajpoot]

I don't know how many of you lot here knew the details of the attacks that took place in Bombay in November 2008, or the fact that we actually managed to catch one of the terrorists involved alive. A 'trial' was being conducted to 'prove' his guilt since the last four years. The government received a lot of flak from the public (and rightly so IMO) over these past years because of how even the continued existence of this man was an insult and an affront to the victims and their grieving families. But the justice system here is what it is. The less said about it the better.
Either way, finally, today morning at 7:30 am, Ajmal Kasab was hanged for his crimes.
Four years have passed. None of my direct kin or acquaintances were affected by the attacks. But it felt truly sweet and satisfying to finally see this man get what he deserved.
Now I only hope that the others still lounging in our prisons for similar acts, too get their deserved punishment soon.

A timeline of the case for reference.

[HoreTore]

The death penalty is an insult to civilization.

[rajpoot]

The insult would have been had his petition to the president been accepted. Probably not to civilisation, but to the country, and its people, and all those who died in the attacks.

[CountArach]

The death penalty is an insult to civilization.

What this man said. How can we claim any sort of moral high ground if we use death as a retaliatory device? Just because it is government sanctioned, doesn't mean it is right.

[rajpoot]

Just because it is government sanctioned, doesn't mean it is right.

Obviously not. Had the government said that he be allowed to live it would have been very very wrong.

What this man said. How can we claim any sort of moral high ground if we use death as a retaliatory device?

TBH I don't want to claim the moral high ground in cases like this. I'm sure the millions here who will celebrate today don't care about it either.
Because being good only works with people who're willing to listen and reciprocate. These people will just kill you.

[Jolt]

I used to be against the Death Penalty. I guess I still am in most cases. But in this case, the first thing that comes to my mind, after having seen the images of Bombay is "Good riddance."

[CountArach]

TBH I don't want to claim the moral high ground in cases like this. I'm sure the millions here who will celebrate today don't care about it either.
Because being good only works with people who're willing to listen and reciprocate. These people will just kill you.

Hate and violence only breed hate and violence. This will just make them want to kill you more.

[Myth]

This is good in theory. In practice, anyone can be branded as a terrorist. Fun times - get hanged now, find proof that you are not a terrorist later. The whole terrorism thing is as much a tool for fearmongering and justified radical actions than an actual threat and problem.

[rvg]

The insult would have been had his petition to the president been accepted. Probably not to civilisation, but to the country, and its people, and all those who died in the attacks.

rajpoot, don't listen to the silly euros, they don't know what they're talking about. You hung that animal up to dry just like it deserved. Justice has been served. Cheers.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This is good in theory. In practice, anyone can be branded as a terrorist. Fun times - get hanged now, find proof that you are not a terrorist later. The whole terrorism thing is as much a tool for fearmongering and justified radical actions than an actual threat and problem.

I thinks something like the last three or four people to be hanged in the UK have since been proved innocent and acquitted.

Even more disturbing is that rajpoot is upset that due process was carried through.

If other Indians feel this way maybe they should be tossed out of the Commonwealth, after Pakistan, South Africa and Zimbabwe, of course.

[Major Robert Dump]

What this man said. How can we claim any sort of moral high ground if we use death as a retaliatory device? Just because it is government sanctioned, doesn't mean it is right.

Because hanging bad people who helped pull off one of the worst terrorist attacks ever is nothing short of awesome, what with their flailing and spasming about as they swing on the rope, especially if someone throws down a dope freestyle beat to go with the dance of death. Could only be better if he was naked so we could see the real "reason" behind his terrorist acts and laugh at his little mohammed.

[rajpoot]

Even more disturbing is that rajpoot is upset that due process was carried through.

I am not upset that due process was carried out, I was merely pointing out to how slow and unwieldy that process was.
Considerable amount was spent on keeping this man comfortable in his high security cell, lest anyone accuse the state of handling him too harshly. IIRC they actually had to reroute a new flyover they had intended to built because they did not want to move him to another place.

Furthermore the trial went on for four years. While I believe that's too drawn out, I am also certain that after such a long trial for a man who was seen committing the crimes on TV, there cannot be any room for a wrong sentence.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Because hanging bad people who helped pull off one of the worst terrorist attacks ever is nothing short of awesome, what with their flailing and spasming about as they swing on the rope, especially if someone throws down a dope freestyle beat to go with the dance of death. Could only be better if he was naked so we could see the real "reason" behind his terrorist acts and laugh at his little mohammed.

So not hanging then, lynching?

Bad form.

[Fragony]

Bye

[HoreTore]

rajpoot, don't listen to the silly euros, they don't know what they're talking about. You hung that animal up to dry just like it deserved. Justice has been served. Cheers.

Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about, since I only have one friend who was the target of a terrorist attack a little over a year ago... /sarcasm

I also fail to see how "justice has been served". The indian bloodthirst has perhaps been quenched, but I don't see how any justice can result from an act of barbarism.

[rvg]

Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about, since I only have one friend who was the target of a terrorist attack a little over a year ago... /sarcasm

So what?

I also fail to see how "justice has been served".

And I don't. The "if you murder people, you get treated in kind" formula is perfectly just to me.

[HoreTore]

So what?

Sorry, I assumed you were on a "europeans haven't experienced terrorism firsthand so they get no say"-trip.

[rvg]

Sorry, I assumed you were on a "europeans haven't experienced terrorism firsthand so they get no say"-trip.

No, not at all. I'm mostly on a "europeans are too soft on murderers" trip.

[HoreTore]

No, not at all. I'm mostly on a "europeans are too soft on murderers" trip.

Ah. Well, I don't have the time for trips, I'm busy basking in the sunlight of our 0,6 per 100k murder rate.

Enjoy your 4,8 per 100k rate, we won't be looking at your failures for inspiration

[Myth]

Considering your secret service agents murder more people than actual terrorists I find that funny. The death sentence IMO should be reserved for child molesters only. Problem is, there's plenty of them among the rich and powerful. Only average joe schmoe would get hanged.

[Montmorency]

The death sentence IMO should be reserved for child molesters only.

Why?

and

Why them and not anyone else?

Edit: Oh, I thought Horetore had posted that! But the question stands, I suppose.

[rvg]

Ah. Well, I don't have the time for trips, I'm busy basking in the sunlight of our 0,6 per 100k murder rate.

Enjoy your 4,8 per 100k rate, we won't be looking at your failures for inspiration

No problem. Just keep in mind: one day Breivik will be a free man.

[HoreTore]

No problem. Just keep in mind: one day Breivik will be a free man.

If he is ever released, I will be happy.

The odds of that happening are about as low as Birmingham winning the Champions League in 2016, however.

[Myth]

Why?

and

Why them and not anyone else?

Edit: Oh, I thought Horetore had posted that! But the question stands, I suppose.

Because they are twisted subhuman scum that cannot be healed from their mental illness and have willingly scarred a child mentally for the rest of it's life, or worse - killed it after abuse and torture. They cannot be allowed back into society and I don't like feeding parasites. They are unlike schizophrenics as they deliberately plan their actions and unlike psychopaths they obviously cannot contain their urges. So they are in their own tier of being sick in the head.

[rvg]

If he is ever released, I will be happy.

Now that has piqued my curiosity. Why would it make you happy?

[HoreTore]

Now that has piqued my curiosity. Why would it make you happy?

Because turning ABB into a law-abiding, normal citizen would be the ultimate proof of a well-functioning corrections system.

It's also the ultimate proof of a tolerant society(he won't be released if people are looking to whack him).

But as said, the odds of that happening is as high as Birmingham winning the champions league. We're just not capable of handling a case like ABB. Yet.

[rvg]

Because turning ABB into a law-abiding, normal citizen would be the ultimate proof of a well-functioning corrections system.

It's also the ultimate proof of a tolerant society(he won't be released if people are looking to whack him).

But as said, the odds of that happening is as high as Birmingham winning the champions league. We're just not capable of handling a case like ABB. Yet.

Am I correct in my understanding that the punitive aspect of Breivik's sentence is of little importance to you?

[HoreTore]

Am I correct in my understanding that the punitive aspect of Breivik's sentence is of little importance to you?

You are correct.

[Montmorency]

Because they are twisted subhuman scum that cannot be healed from their mental illness and have willingly scarred a child mentally for the rest of it's life, or worse - killed it after abuse and torture. They cannot be allowed back into society and I don't like feeding parasites. They are unlike schizophrenics as they deliberately plan their actions and unlike psychopaths they obviously cannot contain their urges. So they are in their own tier of being sick in the head.

Schizophrenics display decision-making dysfunction - that doesn't mean they can not plan. Psychopaths all control their urges? That's clearly untrue.

But those are quibbles. It's interesting that you think of child molesters as mentally ill. How far would you go in pathologizing criminality? You call them parasites, though many are otherwise emloyed and well-functioning. What would you have done to habitually unemployed kleptomaniacs?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Because turning ABB into a law-abiding, normal citizen would be the ultimate proof of a well-functioning corrections system.

It's also the ultimate proof of a tolerant society(he won't be released if people are looking to whack him).

Yep that would be the best outcome in all cases. Punishment is one thing, but it needs to serve a purpose other than pure revenge IMO.

As for the habitual kleptomaniacs, as I recall they are sent to Westminster instead. Judging by the comments of our UK posters, anyway.