LA BELLE EPOQUE (a sequel to the CONCERT OF EUROPE)

**Greyblades** · 03-14-2013, 17:33

Maybe we could persuade Jan or Tiaexz to do the lore while Franconius did the game mechanics?

:sigh: the Game of thrones games were the best I've ever played, if I could ever get a chance to play again I'd jump at the chance, and even if I were to forsake said chance to host one myself I couldn't ever do it justice...

Ah well ionian rebellion should do nicely.

**The Stranger** · 03-15-2013, 12:12

im so glad you enjoyed playing games in which i was beating everyone :D

**Franconicus** · 03-15-2013, 18:56

So we got a plan!

I am already gathering some data for the game. Maybe some of you find time to check to help me.

**Prince Cobra** · 03-16-2013, 07:58

I am really sorry for not being very active...

I think it's time to go back in the shadows and once things calm down a bit around me, I can think of returning. I will try to have a look on the new game, though.

**Kival** · 03-17-2013, 11:20

Originally Posted by Franconicus

So we got a plan!

Which plan?

**Franconicus** · 03-18-2013, 05:28

Here is what I found so far:

Naval warfare:

Is based on the triremes, a ship type well-known for all parties.

The triremes is fast and high maneuverable. However, it is not built to withstand storms and its capacity to carry troops or goods is limited.

Standard crews consist 200 men, including 170 rowers and between 18 marines. Vessels can also carry horses. The more it carries, the slower the ship gets and the more likely it is to sink.

Ships from Athens usually carry 14 hoplites and 4 archers. Persians usually have 40 marines.
Admirals from Athens try to out-maneuver their enemies and sink them by ramming while ships from other regions – Persia or Sparta – prefer to fight with the infantry.

Triremes can also be used as transports, and then they have only 60 rowers. Then they are able to transport up to 100 soldiers.

So a fleet of 200 triremes with 40 soldiers on board of each ship can transport 8,000 soldiers.

The triremes carry food and water for one day. Then they have to stop and get new supply. They also have to look for shelter if there is a storm coming. If a triremes stays in the water for several day, it becomes slow. So it is reasonable to carry them on the beach each night.

For these reasons, campaigns on sea depend strongly on bases, where the ships can find shelter and supply.

Question:
What is the average distance, a fleet of triremes can travel at one day?

Warfare on land:

Greeks rely mainly on hoplites combined with psiloi, some light troops (slingers, archers or peltasts). These troops can be professionals, militias or mercenaries. Besides the Spartan army, there were only little professionals. Cavalry does not play any role.

Persia had an army composed of soldiers from different nations. Infantry was lighter, although there were some similar to the hoplites, just with shorter lances. Then a lot of light soldiers with javelins, archers etc. Plus cavalry, maybe the strongest part of Persian army.

possible Factions:

Maybe
Ionia
Aeolia
Hellespont
Cyprus
Caria

And Persia

Persia coul be divided into three parts.

Of course this would be too many factions!!

**Arjos** · 03-18-2013, 10:17

Average speed, taken from Xenophon, is about 8 knots over a 236 km distance. Taking "a long day's voyage", that is 16 to 18 hours, counting a midday meal.
Thoukydides records also a non-stop 340 km voyage, in little over a day. But this would tire the men incredibly and they wouldn't be battle-ready.

Also the Peltastai for the Greeks is a bit too early. They were adopted as a consequence of the Persian Wars and the athenian expansion (especially in Thrake and Anatolia). Still I see no problem with very light, but in no way professional, javelin throwers for the 5th century BCE in Hellas.

**Greyblades** · 03-18-2013, 10:24

Wow... I had no idea how much Triremes suck compared to ships of the age of sail. I wonder if we can reform what our armies are equipped and train with.

**The Stranger** · 03-18-2013, 14:09

im sparta. XD

**Franconicus** · 03-18-2013, 17:40

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Wow... I had no idea how much Triremes suck compared to ships of the age of sail. I wonder if we can reform what our armies are equipped and train with.

You mean iron armor and steam drive?

Factions - leaders:

Aristagoras - Milet

Cyprus - Onesilus

Caria - Pixodorus

Persian strategist - Daurises

Persian strategist - Hymaees

Persian strategist - Otanes

Please chose your side. Anybody is welcome, but keep in mind that I want it fast and tough!!

Any info about army sizes?