Newtown School Shootings

**a completely inoffensive name** · 12-15-2012, 11:04

Originally Posted by Husar

ACIN, your argument is laughable because you want to make America more socialist, that's no different from reducing gun ownership in terms of eroding fundamental american values.

Altruistic != socialist

Try again. This time by using words that are actual synonyms.

**Husar** · 12-15-2012, 11:20

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Altruistic != socialist

Try again. This time by using words that are actual synonyms.

Capitalism is about caring only about finishing first, about opimizing and if you're not optimal you get left behind and told that you "fail at life".
There are some good things about that in general but also some bad ones. There are also altruistic capitalists but I don't really see many of them so please explain how altruism fits with caring only about winners.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 12-15-2012, 11:30

Originally Posted by Husar

Capitalism is about caring only about finishing first, about opimizing and if you're not optimal you get left behind and told that you "fail at life".
There are some good things about that in general but also some bad ones. There are also altruistic capitalists but I don't really see many of them so please explain how altruism fits with caring only about winners.

Well when you only see the world through a Marxist point of view you can't. But in the real world people can be both competitive in business and caring in their personal lives at the same time.

It's as if people are more than just their modes of production. But like I said, you can't see what Karl Marx doesn't believe exists.

**Husar** · 12-15-2012, 11:38

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Well when you only see the world through a Marxist point of view you can't. But in the real world people can be both competitive in business and caring in their personal lives at the same time.

It's as if people are more than just their modes of production. But like I said, you can't see what Karl Marx doesn't believe exists.

I never said it's not possible, I said it hardly seems to happen in America because people are too preoccupied with being great.

**Fragony** · 12-15-2012, 11:52

Originally Posted by Husar

Capitalism is about caring only about finishing first, about opimizing and if you're not optimal you get left behind and told that you "fail at life".
There are some good things about that in general but also some bad ones. There are also altruistic capitalists but I don't really see many of them so please explain how altruism fits with caring only about winners.

Intellectual scrutiny of capitalism is the realisation that their intellectual kung-fu isn't of any use in the real world. Socialism is a great comfort zone for the useless who wish things were always like things were on university.

**Husar** · 12-15-2012, 12:30

Originally Posted by Fragony

Intellectual scrutiny of capitalism is the realisation that their intellectual kung-fu isn't of any use in the real world. Socialism is a great comfort zone for the useless who wish things were always like things were on university.

And mass shootings are great to remind people like you that there are downsides to your world view as well, whether you like it or not.

**Fragony** · 12-15-2012, 12:44

Originally Posted by Husar

And mass shootings are great to remind people like you that there are downsides to your world view as well, whether you like it or not.

Nothing about anybody's worldview or political affiliation where this can be pinned upon, this is just someone who's insane. These things happen everywhere there is no system in the world that can prevent people from going nuts. There is no explanation and there is no cure. Just a fact of life that these things can happen. If you are sane you will never understand insanity. Nobody did anything wrong it's just a major tragedy. It can happen everywhere no need for any soul-searching.

**Husar** · 12-15-2012, 12:55

Many of these people are outcasts of some sort who feel they have nothing to lose anymore, calling them insane is just an easy explanation for people who don't want to think about it or reconsider anything.
Then again if you think it's normal, why are you so shocked and sad? If you're saying it's essentially no different from the 500 traffic deaths every year then there's no reason to be any more sorry over this than over the 500 dead people from traffic accidents every year.

**Fragony** · 12-15-2012, 13:14

Originally Posted by Husar

Many of these people are outcasts of some sort who feel they have nothing to lose anymore, calling them insane is just an easy explanation for people who don't want to think about it or reconsider anything.
Then again if you think it's normal, why are you so shocked and sad? If you're saying it's essentially no different from the 500 traffic deaths every year then there's no reason to be any more sorry over this than over the 500 dead people from traffic accidents every year.

As you said, they are outcasts. There is nothing that can be done about outcasts, in ANY system they will always exist. Predictably people start claiming this for their own uses, lack of god, lack of gun control, too much liberal upbringing, too much conservative upbringing, whatever suits them. Stop claiming it. There is NOTHING that will stop this from happening again as there will always be people who lose it.