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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    To go back to the motor vehicle analogy, I seem to remember that when an 80-year-old driver plowed through a crowd in a mall, there was, in fact, a push to re-test old people more frequently to retain their drivers' licenses. Exact same scenario; someone graphically demonstrates a problem in the system, so people look at it and ask, "Are there adjustments we should make to the system?"

    If not, then not. If so, then what?
    The "gray menace" is also largely overblown. Sure, it makes good press when grandpa plows through a farmers market- but statistically they're far safer drivers than young demographics.

    My position, as I've stated three times elsewhere in this thread, is that gun ownership should be roughly as regulated as motor vehicle ownership.
    As far as I know, there are very few limitations on who can own a car. You're thinking of driver's licenses. You don't need one of those to own a car- only to drive one on public roads. I don't think you're arguing that gun ownership is over regulated.
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    Old people are dangerous - as a claims adjuster I think I can say this - and so are drivers below 21 as a rule. Old people tend to drive too slowly, causing added danger for people who drive too quickly. I wouldn't say they cause an absurd amount of accidents. Here again, we test them at a certain age to make sure that they can drive safely. We don't ban them from driving if they can safely drive.
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    Wouldn't you want the statistics released on what is the most lethal/highest stopping power weapons?

    If I lived in fear I'd like any decent strategy gamer, game the system.

    I'd figure out what is the best weapon for each location in my house. Say have a shotgun for the hallway. A pistol in a safe in the bedroom. A rifle to cover the backyard. I'd also setup secure cameras to cover blind spots, accidentally leave toys under windows. I'd make sure my fire exit drill isn't compromised by intruder protection systems and vice a versa. If anything I'd plan it so I have multiple exits and fallback points.

    I'd like to know which weapon is optimized for each scenario and I'd hate to buy something that would just aggravate the attacker or let them get easy access to my self defence weapons.

    Also it would allow me to assess a situation much quicker if I could size up what kind of firepower the attacker has.

    If I went full on, I'd set up false cover, nightingale boards, trapdoors, spotlights, thermal cameras and have a good dog.
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    Wouldn't you want the statistics released on what is the most lethal/highest stopping power weapons?

    If I lived in fear I'd like any decent strategy gamer, game the system.

    I'd figure out what is the best weapon for each location in my house. Say have a shotgun for the hallway. A pistol in a safe in the bedroom. A rifle to cover the backyard. I'd also setup secure cameras to cover blind spots, accidentally leave toys under windows. I'd make sure my fire exit drill isn't compromised by intruder protection systems and vice a versa. If anything I'd plan it so I have multiple exits and fallback points.

    I'd like to know which weapon is optimized for each scenario and I'd hate to buy something that would just aggravate the attacker or let them get easy access to my self defence weapons.

    Also it would allow me to assess a situation much quicker if I could size up what kind of firepower the attacker has.

    If I went full on, I'd set up false cover, nightingale boards, trapdoors, spotlights, thermal cameras and have a good dog.
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    I also have a wife, so I'm going to have to settle for a few gun safes and cameras around the perimeter. When I have kids I'm going to seriously reconsider ever telling them about my guns until it becomes clear that they are not insane, even then I will hide or sell my collection. I told my dad not to get a shotgun when he asked as it would jeopardize the safety of mid teens still in the house.


    I'd also like my neighbors not to be helpless. I've never hear of a murder with a gun or even a shooting anywhere near my town. One guy went crazy and killed his wife and son, but they lived near the train tracks. It is amazing to me that the US has so little killing with all of the guns we've got. You guys live in a fantasy work where Americans are just bathing in each others blood all day long. The gun culture here is really incredible in that it is so peaceful
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    I'd also like my neighbors not to be helpless. I've never hear of a murder with a gun or even a shooting anywhere near my town. One guy went crazy and killed his wife and son, but they lived near the train tracks. It is amazing to me that the US has so little killing with all of the guns we've got. You guys live in a fantasy work where Americans are just bathing in each others blood all day long. The gun culture here is really incredible in that it is so peaceful
    What town size are we talking about here?

    Because it does feel like you're protecting yourself against tigers, even with a zoo nearby. It can happen, but the odds are minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    What town size are we talking about here?

    Because it does feel like you're protecting yourself against tigers, even with a zoo nearby. It can happen, but the odds are minimal.
    I've always loved guns, ever since I was a really little kid. I've always wanted an ARand was blown away a few years ago when I found out they were legal in NY. I've worked on watches, I research tea ceremonies and I'm interested in the heavy duty militarization of civilians just because. I'm also buying a stripped lower so I can build another one to high end specs. Think of it as model ship building that you can play with

    There are about 1.4 million people in Suffolk county which is rather small. Just over 1 hour east to west, 20 mins north to south. now that I recall there was one young kid who killed his ex gf with some sort of gun. The other murders were psychotic breakdown where a wife killed her husband by stabbing him with a knife 30 times and a husband who had a psychotic breakdown and murdered his wife and 10 year old son with a baseball bat like in the shining. 30 years ago there was a satanic ritual where a christian kid who got involved with drugs and the crazy people they come with was stabbed in the woods. Mostly stabbings. I'm not too worried about crime here at the moment
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    I dont think that answered his question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    As far as I know, there are very few limitations on who can own a car. You're thinking of driver's licenses. You don't need one of those to own a car- only to drive one on public roads.
    Right, of course, I actually thought about editing it to read "ownership and operation" but decided it was a bit clunky, and people would know what I meant. Apologies for not being more precise.

    Also note that any purchase of a motor vehicle is recorded and registered, at least in most states. Perhaps it's different in the wilds of Pennsylvania. You people are weird, what with the state having a monopoly on booze.

    But in most places, if you fail to register a motor vehicle, and attempt to drive it without a license, trouble will occur. Records of owners, registrants, and licensees are well-kept. That seems like an appropriate level of oversight to this lemur.

    Do you believe there is anything that should be addressed with gun ownership and operation? Anything at all?
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