Can't we just drop a nuke on the Vatican

[Greyblades]

And why are homosexual acts evil?

[Rhyfelwyr]

And why are homosexual acts evil?

Because the only person you should be intimate with is your wife, if you are intimate with other people then it cheapens your relationship together. As for homosexual couples who want an exclusive relationship together, that distracts them from the heterosexual relationships they should be having. So they could be a happy family with kids that have a mummy and a daddy.

inb4 this is all coming from someone with no experience in any of this. But it is an ideal to me, so I see it the way I see it.

[Greyblades]

Because the only person you should be intimate with is your wife, if you are intimate with other people then it cheapens your relationship together. As for homosexual couples who want an exclusive relationship together, that distracts them from the heterosexual relationships they should be having. So they could be a happy family with kids that have a mummy and a daddy.

inb4 this is all coming from someone with no experience in any of this. But it is an ideal to me, so I see it the way I see it.

Uh huh.

...Ok I'm too bored for this, I'm going to keep saying "why" until you give up saying "shoulds" and say the bible, with all of it's parts written at latest 1500 years ago, or your priest/pope, a man following said bible who's been told interpriting it the churches way is the only moral and that screwing little boys isnt, told you to. Then I'll laugh at you for living your life both on someone else's standards of morality and on hideously out of date standards. Then I'll pity you for letting yourself act that being part of your religion requires you to detest homosexuality.

Why is sleeping with someone prior to marriage evil?

Why is prostitution evil? Drug abuse? Suicide? Wrath? Gluttony?

They aren't. People partaking in all but drug abuse and wrath usually hurt noone but themselves and when they do its because of the person's personal problems than the "evil". As for drugs that is a case by case thing with the majority being no more evil than a thunder strike, and Wrath is an emotion we're born with, something your god says he gave to you and by association isnt evil or he wouldnt have put it in the human blueprint.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Uh huh.

...Ok I'm too bored for this, I'm going to keep saying "why" until you give up saying "shoulds" and say the bible, with all of it's parts written at latest 1500 years ago, or your priest/pope, a man following said bible who's been told interpriting it the churches way is the only moral and that screwing little boys isnt, told you to. Then I'll laugh at you for living your life both on someone else's standards of morality and on hideously out of date standards. Then I'll pity you for letting yourself act that being part of your religion requires you to detest homosexuality.

Yes well your contributions don't put you in much of a position to be laughing at or pitying anybody.

You don't need to keep asking why, and no, "because the Bible said so" was never my answer. You may notice I have never mentioned or even implied it's significance here.

What I have done is suggest that homosexuality runs contrary to a more natural lifestyle. To avoid any obfuscation over what I mean by 'natural', I mean simply that it is something innate in all people, that it is essential to the human condition and indeed an individuals happiness. To me, this is natural revelation that is merely supported by more direct divine (Biblical) revelation. And indeed, I believe that the traditional nuclear family is all of these things.

If you are going to go "why why why" like a five year old, then here is the obvious answer. Heterosexual procreation is the only means of continuing the human race, and since procreation has never been restricted to pack or hive leaders within the human species, your average healthy human should want to have heterosexual sex and procreate because it is a necessary part of the human condition. If you lack basic desires like eating, drinking, or procreating, then there is something wrong with you, and you are in fact injuring your own happiness by not fulfilling these desires.

And as for why the desire for marriage or at least a long-term partner should be natural to humanity, that is because it has in the past been necessary to protect the product of their procreation, and so we have the desire to do that imbued in all of us, hence fulfilling those conditions is an essential part of being a healthy, happy person.

And of course the Pope meets none of those conditions, but I'm not Catholic.

[Fragony]

Maybe it is the natural order that not everybody should procreate as it would get a little too busy and it was meant that way. Anyhow, homosexuality just exists and they have the right on leading a happy life, nobody has the right to deny them that. There is nothing wrong with it as it isn't harming anyone if someone is attracted to the same sex. So just let them be, nobody is asking anything from you other than that.

[Greyblades]

Yes well your contributions don't put you in much of a position to be laughing at or pitying anybody.

The acts of laughter and pity are rarely contingent to your location.

You don't need to keep asking why, and no, "because the Bible said so" was never my answer. You may notice I have never mentioned or even implied it's significance here.

It comes with the territory of unabashed fundamental religion, particularly the elements that consider acts that cause no unwanted harm to others "evil", it always sources back to dogma, for how else does someone start regarding things innocuous as evil.

What I have done is suggest that homosexuality runs contrary to a more natural lifestyle.

Whether you consider it natural is irrelevent, even if nature existed as anything but a word humanity use for things not of our cause, you called it evil and didn't protest when through my questioning I stated that you consider it evil, the inherent assumption that comes with the word evil of "I hate it". That it is directed to something harmless in all senses of the word is enough for me to laugh at and pity you.

And of course the Pope meets none of those conditions, but I'm not Catholic.

And I am, on paper at least, and few are more aware than I that religious based views of little logic or regard are not restricted to the "holy" church

[Papewaio]

Spoiler alert.

Heterosexual acts are not the only way to procreate. Test tube babies have been around for awhile.

Spoiler alert II

asexual assisted human reproduction ie cloning is a very real near reality. It is a matter of eningeerin solutions not scientific breakthroughs.

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If it is to define a human the desire to procreate and have a long term partner then I do not think celibate priests should be adjudicating. I do not agree with that idea, but I do listen to subject matter experts as a matter of professional habit.

As such I'd rather listen to people in long term partnerships on the sanctity of marriage.

Also if any society offers social benefits to married couples it is immoral to tax those who are denied like representation. Gay adults denied marriage should at a minimum be tax exempt as they are being denied equal representation of their life bond. There is no sanctity in marriage when it is denied by bigots to all adults regardless of sex, race or creed. A bigoted rite is not a human right.

Screw society when they screw with which adult can screw whomever other adult of sound mind.

[Fragony]

That is where I draw the line, cloning humans so homosexual couples can have their abomination of life? Homosexuals shouldn't be harrased in any way but what the fuck are you on about here, that is sick pap's. It is not possible for homosexual couples to have kids that is something that is just to be accepted. Cloning are you really being serious? I am going to side with the relinuts if so.

[Ironside]

If you are going to go "why why why" like a five year old, then here is the obvious answer. Heterosexual procreation is the only means of continuing the human race, and since procreation has never been restricted to pack or hive leaders within the human species, your average healthy human should want to have heterosexual sex and procreate because it is a necessary part of the human condition. If you lack basic desires like eating, drinking, or procreating, then there is something wrong with you, and you are in fact injuring your own happiness by not fulfilling these desires.

So, you're saying that you know more about what makes gay people happy than what themselves do?

Either you deal with ideals, or you accept reality and adapt.

[Myth]

Gay marriage - OK, whatever floats their boat.
Gays being allowed a state marriage is OK. If the church denies them a church marriage, OK. They can go and get hitched in the Synagogue of Satan for all I care, if the Catholics are against it.
Gays being allowed to adopt children - not OK. And please don't bring the "There are heterosexual couples that abuse children or make bad parents/adoptees" strawman argument.

[Sir Moody]

but why?

why shouldn't they?

do you really have a good reason? or is it more "its immoral" waffle which doesn't really say anything

[rory_20_uk]

I was with you until the adoption bit.

I am sure that they are just as able to bring up children as hetro couples. The strawmen you mention appears to imply that gay couples are going to be by default worse than hetro couples. Any reason why?

If there was a scarcity of children to adopt I might put hetro couples first. Since there is a glut of children who are otherwise passed around foster homes or state run dumps I'm more than happy to utilise a resource that is present.

[CrossLOPER]

...Ok I'm too bored for this, I'm going to keep saying "why" until you give up saying "shoulds" and say the bible, with all of it's parts written at latest 1500 years ago, or your priest/pope, a man following said bible who's been told interpriting it the churches way is the only moral and that screwing little boys isnt, told you to. Then I'll laugh at you for living your life both on someone else's standards of morality and on hideously out of date standards. Then I'll pity you for letting yourself act that being part of your religion requires you to detest homosexuality.

Don't undermine the purpose of the internet forum.

Space Marines

You just killed you own argument.

[Greyblades]

Don't undermine the purpose of the internet forum.

I was just cutting the cud, I have yet to encounter an argument saying gay sex (or anything harmless really) is evil that doesnt boil down that way and this one appeared no different.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You just killed you own argument.

Because I DARE to reference popular Sci-fi?

The people making the decisions about how to use genetic technology will not be Scientists or Philosophers - they will be politicians. It is inevitable that genetic modification will be used to create an obedient warrior-caste because we have already imagined it several times, and therefore the idea will be put into practice, and because such a caste would be useful to someone with political ambitions.

[jirisys]

A small bomb is enough to be honest. Besides, Italy may blame their scientists for not warning them about it.

~Jirisys ()

[ICantSpellDawg]

And why are homosexual acts evil?

Why is sleeping with someone prior to marriage evil?

Why is prostitution evil? Drug abuse? Suicide? Wrath? Gluttony?

[lars573]

And why are homosexual acts evil?

Because the backward desert people who wrote the bible needed everyone breeding.