Dingdong, bullyouknowhat alert

[Fragony]

I don't don't know about you but I never carry iron staves around. This was no ordinary rape.

[rajpoot]

I don't don't know about you but I never carry iron staves around. This was no ordinary rape.

It was a private bus. It was not a large iron staff but a rod....probably something like a crowbar from the tool box.
You're basing your theory on a very flimsy base.

Quoting from Wikipedia article -

When Awindra tried to intervene, he was beaten, gagged and knocked unconscious with an iron rod. The men dragged the woman to the rear of the bus, beating her with the rod and raping her while the bus driver continued to drive. Medical reports later suggested that the woman suffered serious injuries to her abdomen, intestines and genitals due to the assault, and doctors say that the damage indicates that a blunt object (suspected to be the iron rod) may have been used for penetration. That rod was later described by police as being a rusted, L-shaped implement of the type used as a wheel jack handle.

[Fragony]

Don't think so, why would they have iron rods even if it was a private company. This stinks.

[rajpoot]

Don't think so, why would they have iron rods even if it was a private company. This stinks.

Read my post again.

Caste based violence here has been brutal, but this is nothing of that sort.
Either way it's past 12 in the night here and I've already read way too much news articles on this topic in the past 20 minutes to last me through my sleeping hours. I suggest you check them out if you want more information, before making up theories.

[Fragony]

It was a private bus. It was not a large iron staff but a rod....probably something like a crowbar from the tool box.
You're basing your theory on a very flimsy base.

Quoting from Wikipedia article -

Article says iron bars, plural. So more people had one.

[rajpoot]

The article is from the website of a British daily, giving news about a crime in India. The Indian media is not known for its credibility, but this has been a highly publicised case so the chances of them getting such facts wrong are slight.
Furthermore basing your entire theory around whether there was one iron rod from a tool box or multiple iron bars, while ignoring the many many news reports on the topic is, to put it mildly rather silly.

What I cannot fathom is why are you so bent on trying to see this as caste crime?

[Fragony]

Can't blame me for errors in article. I thought so because they belong to different classes, and because the article said iron bars, plural. If there are multiple iron bars more people must have brought one. If you add it up the girl and the guy were probably lovers. The driver and his assistant bribed by the guy's family, and the passengers thugs for hire

[HoreTore]

You're basing your theory on a very flimsy base.

That's a good summary every single one of frag's 23 504 posts.

Anyway, did you guys catch that awsome-o Guru? I give him a "10" if he attempted to make the mullahs look better by comparison...

Edit: also, I read this thread in-between pausing to exhale the chili of my chicken tikka. Most appropriate meal I've had this year!

[rajpoot]

Anyway, did you guys catch that awsome-o Guru? I give him a "10" if he attempted to make the mullahs look better by comparison...

He'll get his fair share of flak for the inane remarks. Regrettably most of the flak will probably be in from of comments on news articles and a further dip in his popularity. Ideally he should be locked in with some kind of hungry carnivore or something and then asked to chant his mantras to see if it helps save him.

Edit: also, I read this thread in-between pausing to exhale the chili of my chicken tikka. Most appropriate meal I've had this year!

I wouldn't have thought this makes for good meal-time news.

[HoreTore]

He'll get his fair share of flak for the inane remarks. Regrettably most of the flak will probably be in from of comments on news articles and a further dip in his popularity.

The civilized way.

Ideally he should be locked in with some kind of hungry carnivore or something and then asked to chant his mantras to see if it helps save him.

The barbarian way.

I wouldn't have thought this makes for good meal-time news.

Indian food is great at all times.

[Catiline]

On the assumption that Delhi is like Dubai, which is essentially an Indian city with a lot of construction and no desire to tidy any building waste up, then there's likely plenty of Rebar just lying about the place, no need to bring it with you

[Fragony]

On the assumption that Delhi is like Dubai, which is essentially an Indian city with a lot of construction and no desire to tidy any building waste up, then there's likely plenty of Rebar just lying about the place, no need to bring it with you

No need to have any if it's 6 vs 2, so bus stopped, they went out to look for iron bars, and stepped back in?

[Fragony]

That's a good summary every single one of frag's 23 504 posts.

Oh shoo. If it is as it is as in the Guardian, multiple iron bars, howwould you explain that. They have been going out, I take it the other passengers as well as it was a private bus. The iron bars must allready have been in the bus as you don't carry them around, or the other passengers didn't go out at all and had no other reason to be in that bus. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see thatbsomething isn't quite right here

99% sure the police should have a chat with the family of the guy. Rape is humiliation, and class is a big issue in India it's a parallel society, intertwining said societies is not accepted and when it does happen it can be brutal.

Guardian is no rag, if there weren't multiple iron bars it would have been rectified by now. I am just smarter than you.

Edit, how is the guy doing by the way, still recovering from his injuries or was he he just held back

[HoreTore]

howwould you explain that.

The problem is that you shouldn't attempt to explain it. You have no access to any evidence, and so any theories you put forth will only be a fantasy.

And not surprisingly, your theory turned out to be dead wrong. Baseless speculation usually is.

[Fragony]

The problem is that you shouldn't attempt to explain it. You have no access to any evidence, and so any theories you put forth will only be a fantasy.

And not surprisingly, your theory turned out to be dead wrong. Baseless speculation usually is.

Has yet to be turn out to be dead wrong, I will happily mea culpa if I am wrong but I kinda doubt I am. Earth isn't going to take a day off if I am so no harm done.

[rajpoot]

Edit, how is the guy doing by the way, still recovering from his injuries or was he he just held back

The male friend was no where as badly injured as the girl, and has recovered now. Last news I read of him was how his family was demanding compensation like the girl's family got, since their son too got beaten up but no one (read news channels and newspapers) paid enough attention to him.

Has yet to be turn out to be dead wrong

Take my word for it. And look at it logically. I don't ever remember reading about an honour killing that involved the murderers raping their victim before killing them.

[Fragony]

The male friend was no where as badly injured as the girl, and has recovered now. Last news I read of him was how his family was demanding compensation like the girl's family got, since their son too got beaten up but no one (read news channels and newspapers) paid enough attention to him.



Take my word for it. And look at it logically. I don't ever remember reading about an honour killing that involved the murderers raping their victim before killing them.

I am looking at it logically, just how likely is it that this was spontanious. She probably never was supposed to be dead, he just had to watch her being humiliated. He tried to protect her and recieved a few injuries of his own but he wasn't beaten upas badly as the girl was. You guys got it all wrong this was not just a rape.

[rajpoot]

She probably never was supposed to be dead

They raped her with a iron rod and tore her intestines out. Then dumped her on the road side with her friend, who's family in your opinion paid them to humiliate her.