Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
I say as my link did, the bible is right not any christian, the authority is in the bible no human being.

Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
Romans 3.4
umm... I said we should leave this discussion. As in, let's not discuss this further.. finito il lavoro .. capito??

Your forefathers is not saved regardless of hid deeds, he is saved based on his heart and his reaction to what has been given to him through his conscience and creation [read op please]. What of john 1 makes you think those that don't hear of Christ are automatically saved?.

no one is saved by works no one, weather they have heard of jesus or not.
Just making sure that we are on the same page here...
So this forefather of mine... Svein Magnusson.. nicknamed the anvil.. because he apparently drowned a longship and a crew by throwing an anvil at it.. will be saved.. because he was a loving father for his children and a good husband - yet merciless against his enemies. Deeds don't matter anyway as in works won't save you, neither will work damn you as long as your heart stay true. Yet.. he never heard of white-Christ as he died before the first Christians arrived with the gospel of the word.
This is according to your understanding of the Bible...