A Period of Calm between Israel and the Palestinians - Some graphs

[Hax]

Yeah, Fragony, whatever you say.

[Fragony]

Yeah, Fragony, whatever you say.

Yeahyeah, want to see the Hamas charters, or what they say on Palestinian tv ad teach in schools with EU money, Morsi is on it by the way yay arab spring. Ask and I'll deliver.

[Hax]

I've never seen you deliver jack squat.

The thing is that you're not even remotely interested in considering statements that might suggest a different perception on events. This is a sad trait that I often also witness in religious extremists, who either disqualify anything they disagree with as a conspiracy, or otherwise an attack on their religion and as such, not worth considering.

Yes, I know the Hamas charter. I can also read it in its original language, which I suppose is something you can't. That still has nothing to do with the actual events on the ground occuring right now. You're living in a sad fantasy world if you honestly believe that whatever is happening down there is due to a dated manuscript that the members themselves don't even believe in anymore and that whatever is happening to civilians that risk their lives trying to make a living deserve what is happening to them.

[Fragony]

Islam does as it does as it is it's nature to do it, claiming anything else is the Stockholm-Syndrome by proxy islamapoligists tend to suffer from. Islam is a vile ideoligy and a cancer for civilisation.

[Hax]

Islam is nothing and it has nothing to do with this conflict; however, it is used by people trying to portray everything as a black-and-white conflict between good and evil, such as people posting on forums who are not in the slightest bit interested in figuring out what is in fact going on.

And Hamas, of course.

[Fragony]

Being a muslim means nothing. But Islam has no place here, or anywhere

[Hax]

The notion of desert ideology cannot applied to Islam at all. According to the traditional Muslim narrative, it was founded in an urban environment. Going by that notion, one of the elements it incorporated was traditional Arabic spiritualism, apart from "heretical" Christian and Jewish spiritual traditions. In addition to that, it sought to unite a deeply divided urban community where tribal affliliations often played a very important role. Whether or not that succeeded is up to debate. I'd say no.

Even the other narrative, which has recently been proposed by certain Islamologists and historians of the late antiquity seeks to place the crystallisation of Islamic tradition in ‘Abbasid Baghdad, taking traditions along the Silk Road and add Buddhist elements to that particular religion.

Apart from that, the notion of a "desert" religion is completely idiotic. I don't have enough words to describe how incredibly silly it is. It's arse gravy.

Oh, but Fragony, how many times do you need to realise that people that evidently know more about the issues you assume know everything about, disagree with you; whether it's about the European Union, Dutch colonialism or the Middle-East? It's okay not to know anything. What's far worse is to pretend you do.

[HoreTore]

cancer for civilisation.

It's sad to see yet another group being called that. Some people learned nothing from the holocaust.

You've sunk to a new low, frags.

[Fragony]

It's sad to see yet another group being called that. Some people learned nothing from the holocaust.

You've sunk to a new low, frags.

Oh, is it really me who learned nothing from the holocaust, because I think it's you who learned nothing from it

[HoreTore]

Oh, is it really me who learned nothing from the holocaust, because I think it's you who learned nothing from it

Yeah, we had plenty of fun last time we called a group of people a "cancer to civilization".