Defense Distributed Is The Greatest

[HoreTore]

They set sail from the Netherlands, but they weren't prosecuted in the Netherlands but in England. There has never been any here that's why they came here initially

Never said there was any

Well.... Not counting the Jews you willingly rounded up and sent eastwards 70 years ago, of course...

[Fragony]

Never said there was any

Well.... Not counting the Jews you willingly rounded up and sent eastwards 70 years ago, of course...

Yes no less than a 100.000 died, makes you wonder why there were so many of them.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Have you ever noticed that Americans are all:

"Herr derr, I hate my government. Always taking my freedoms, always getting bigger."

And then you got these Europeans who are all like:

"You silly Americans, always defiant against programs and institutions which are in your best interests."

Even though Americans had the conviction to scrap the Articles of Confederation for being too weak and replaced it with the Constitution. And it's the Europeans who try to skate by on a weak EU whose answer for irresponsible member states....is to give them more German money.

Here's another joke, a Norwegian walks into a thread with the presumption that the Nordic model is sustainable beyond our current oil driven society, then proceeds to call other people nutjobs!


Jeeze, tough crowd here. What's the deal with airline food?

[Husar]

Have you ever noticed that Americans are all:

"Herr derr, I hate my government. Always taking my freedoms, always getting bigger."

And then you got these Europeans who are all like:

"You silly Americans, always defiant against programs and institutions which are in your best interests."

Even though Americans had the conviction to scrap the Articles of Confederation for being too weak and replaced it with the Constitution. And it's the Europeans who try to skate by on a weak EU whose answer for irresponsible member states....is to give them more German money.

Here's another joke, a Norwegian walks into a thread with the presumption that the Nordic model is sustainable beyond our current oil driven society, then proceeds to call other people nutjobs!


Jeeze, tough crowd here. What's the deal with airline food?

And then this American comes into the pub telling everyone how they should not scoff at the American model.
Two days before the fiscal cliff destroys the American economy.

[Fragony]

And then this American comes into the pub telling everyone how they should not scoff at the American model.
Two days before the fiscal cliff destroys the American economy.

Better get used to some hardships as well

[Husar]

Better get used to some hardships as well

Don't worry, I'll just print myself some ground horse meat lasagne if it gets too bad.

[gaelic cowboy]

Don't worry, I'll just print myself some ground horse meat lasagne if it gets too bad.

there way ahead of ye

[HoreTore]

Have you ever noticed that Americans are all:

"Herr derr, I hate my government. Always taking my freedoms, always getting bigger."

And then you got these Europeans who are all like:

"You silly Americans, always defiant against programs and institutions which are in your best interests."

Even though Americans had the conviction to scrap the Articles of Confederation for being too weak and replaced it with the Constitution. And it's the Europeans who try to skate by on a weak EU whose answer for irresponsible member states....is to give them more German money.

Here's another joke, a Norwegian walks into a thread with the presumption that the Nordic model is sustainable beyond our current oil driven society, then proceeds to call other people nutjobs!


Jeeze, tough crowd here. What's the deal with airline food?

I can't believe I missed this post. Nominated for Post of the Year!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Never said there was any

Well.... Not counting the Jews you willingly rounded up and sent eastwards 70 years ago, of course...

There was quite a lot of intolerance and persecution under the Hapsburgs, though it can be argued that it was not then "The Netherlands." Persecution did not occur as The Netherlands, but certainly a degree of intolerance was practiced, with non-Calvanists or Jews (Jews could and did openly worship and participate in government) functionally barred from government office and Lutheran and other non-Calvinist churches required to practice their faith in private and in churches that conformed to Calvinist decorative standards.

I am less certain about the "willingness" to support the Holacaust. I wonder how much was willing versus how much was "unwilling to pay the cost of overt opposition." Neither position, of course, is morally perfect, but the latter seems a touch less like active persecution.

[HoreTore]

There was quite a lot of intolerance and persecution under the Hapsburgs, though it can be argued that it was not then "The Netherlands." Persecution did not occur as The Netherlands, but certainly a degree of intolerance was practiced, with non-Calvanists or Jews (Jews could and did openly worship and participate in government) functionally barred from government office and Lutheran and other non-Calvinist churches required to practice their faith in private and in churches that conformed to Calvinist decorative standards.

I am less certain about the "willingness" to support the Holacaust. I wonder how much was willing versus how much was "unwilling to pay the cost of overt opposition." Neither position, of course, is morally perfect, but the latter seems a touch less like active persecution.

For every article I read about ww2, I get more and more convinced that "unwilling to pay the cost of overt opposition." is just an excuse people made after ze germans lost.

I believe the truth is simply that nobody cared about the jews. Not in the Neds, Not in Scandinavia, certainly not in France.

After all, we natives(in several countries) were so enthusiastic about rounding up the jews that the germans had to ask us to calm down, since they feared it would cause social unrest and undermine their war effort. Quisling, for example, was deposed and replaced by Terboven solely because he was too pro-nazi.