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Well, first thing is first. I have had a bit to drink, so please excuse the loose tongue.
In 1804 Napoleaon marches through the bradenburg gate. In 1940 Hitler marches (well drives....well rides) under the Arch Of Triumph. Europeans have long memories. In America at the same time the founding fathers seem like distant memories.
The distance between London and Glasgow is roughly the same as the distance between my house and my university*in the same state.). Europeans don't like distance.
This colors both of our perceptions (Note, when I use the term Europe I speak about only the countries that matter IE UK, France, Germany, Low countries. Yes, everyone is very happy that the Poles shook the shackles of Uncle Joe but they still don't matter.)
The problem is America venerates people whom Europeans still hold grudges against.Washington may as well be Ceaser, through American eyes. This causes a rather rediculously skewed veiw of history.
While Europeans tend to be rather insular, I guess. I'm sure there's a point there, I'm just to drunk to find it. Something about distance
The title is shamelessly stolen from a short story.
In 1804 Napoleaon marches through the bradenburg gate. In 1940 Hitler marches (well drives....well rides) under the Arch Of Triumph. Europeans have long memories. In America at the same time the founding fathers seem like distant memories.
The distance between London and Glasgow is roughly the same as the distance between my house and my university*in the same state.). Europeans don't like distance.
This colors both of our perceptions (Note, when I use the term Europe I speak about only the countries that matter IE UK, France, Germany, Low countries. Yes, everyone is very happy that the Poles shook the shackles of Uncle Joe but they still don't matter.)
The problem is America venerates people whom Europeans still hold grudges against.Washington may as well be Ceaser, through American eyes. This causes a rather rediculously skewed veiw of history.
While Europeans tend to be rather insular, I guess. I'm sure there's a point there, I'm just to drunk to find it. Something about distance
The title is shamelessly stolen from a short story.
I think this phenomenon manifests even stronger in Australia.
Compared to the US, we have even larger states and an even shorter history as a nation. The filthy Europeans landing here might as well have been millennia ago.
And just as your mentioning of distance, people will happily fly across the nation (we're talking 3000+ km) to attend a conference for work, then fly back again post-haste to be back at their usual office within 48 hours.
Music enthusiasts do just the same to see a band they like if they're not hitting up their hometown - from what I hear, it's a rarity for a Brit to travel out of town for anything like that.
And don't even get me started on fly-in/fly-out employment - and you think your commute to work was toilsome!
However, just how interesting this phenomenon is to the sober, well.....
Compared to the US, we have even larger states and an even shorter history as a nation. The filthy Europeans landing here might as well have been millennia ago.
And just as your mentioning of distance, people will happily fly across the nation (we're talking 3000+ km) to attend a conference for work, then fly back again post-haste to be back at their usual office within 48 hours.
Music enthusiasts do just the same to see a band they like if they're not hitting up their hometown - from what I hear, it's a rarity for a Brit to travel out of town for anything like that.
And don't even get me started on fly-in/fly-out employment - and you think your commute to work was toilsome!
However, just how interesting this phenomenon is to the sober, well.....
Oh look, it's one of those colonials demanding attention again.
Well, there's the issue of language of course. You can't just travel from Norway to southern France and expect to be able to speak the same language all along the way. I guess that sorta contributes to insularity as well.
Cf. The medieval Arab world.
Cf. The medieval Arab world.
Europeans are insular? Last I heard it was 90% of Americans that didn't have a passport. Every book I read that was written in America quotes stats entirely based on America. Most Americans think that the rest of the world is either stupid or evil.
Originally Posted by Idaho:
Europeans are insular? Last I heard it was 90% of Americans that didn't have a passport. Every book I read that was written in America quotes stats entirely based on America. Most Americans think that the rest of the world is either stupid or evil.
Most Americans realise there is a 'rest of the world'?Europeans are insular? Last I heard it was 90% of Americans that didn't have a passport. Every book I read that was written in America quotes stats entirely based on America. Most Americans think that the rest of the world is either stupid or evil.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Oh look, it's one of those colonials demanding attention again.
How quickly the English ingrates forgot that when America through off the shackles of King George, it motivated their own government to do the same.Oh look, it's one of those colonials demanding attention again.
Originally Posted by The Lurker Below:
How quickly the English ingrates forgot that when America through off the shackles of King George, it motivated their own government to do the same.
you do realise Horetore is Norwegian right? How quickly the English ingrates forgot that when America through off the shackles of King George, it motivated their own government to do the same.
Also "How quickly the English ingrates forgot that when America threw off the shackles of King George, it motivated their own government to do the same."
Through would give it a entirely different meaning... its the Queens English you know, we have to make sure you colonials get it right
"America through off the shackles" has no meaning, as "through" is usually a preposition but never a verb.
Anyway, Europeans are anything but insular. Though perhaps the contemporary credit squeeze, unemployment, and reaction against globalization may be contributing to a less-open phase...
And Poland is more significant to modern Europe than Strike thinks...
At least count Russia among the "countries that matter", you Western-biased chuckler!
Anyway, Europeans are anything but insular. Though perhaps the contemporary credit squeeze, unemployment, and reaction against globalization may be contributing to a less-open phase...
And Poland is more significant to modern Europe than Strike thinks...
At least count Russia among the "countries that matter", you Western-biased chuckler!
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Most Americans think that the rest of the world is either stupid or evil.
...And we don't?Most Americans think that the rest of the world is either stupid or evil.
It's a false generalization to say that Europeans have long memories and Americans have short ones.
Americans have no memories and make them up along the way.
Americans have no memories and make them up along the way.
That said, America is a lot older than many European states and most if not all European governments have changed significantly since 1787 while the US has maintained the same constitution over that span of time.
I'm just grateful the Americans don't hold grudges; been a long time since we burned down the Whitehouse; water under the bridge :)
This is one of the funnest threads I've read lately. Perfect read with breakfast and coffee.
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BTW Strike what was the short story about?
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BTW Strike what was the short story about?
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
And Poland is more significant to modern Europe than Strike thinks...
Poland is a nation of cheap carpenters, nothing more.And Poland is more significant to modern Europe than Strike thinks...
Originally Posted by Noncommunist:
That said, America is a lot older than many European states and most if not all European governments have changed significantly since 1787 while the US has maintained the same constitution over that span of time.
That's why America is so backwards in many areas while Europeans keep reinventing themselves. Having constitutions that can actually be changed makes us more flexible. The only flexibility Americans know is adjusting in a way that gets them more money. That said, America is a lot older than many European states and most if not all European governments have changed significantly since 1787 while the US has maintained the same constitution over that span of time.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Poland is a nation of cheap carpenters, nothing more.
*cough* Bad Tankers *cough* Siema!!Poland is a nation of cheap carpenters, nothing more.
If you view Europe as being like the US, then Europeans would be more insular - but the English go to France - the French got to Germany.
In the US - you think "America" is a country, not two continents.
In the US - you think "America" is a country, not two continents.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
If you view Europe as being like the US, then Europeans would be more insular - but the English go to France - the French got to Germany.
In the US - you think "America" is a country, not two continents.
Americans are disgustingly insular because, when they venture out of their own backyard and visit another country, they go on to expect everyone to cater to them and their culture. Unlike us Brits, who...oh hang on.If you view Europe as being like the US, then Europeans would be more insular - but the English go to France - the French got to Germany.
In the US - you think "America" is a country, not two continents.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Poland is a nation of cheap carpenters, nothing more.
So was Jesus!!!Poland is a nation of cheap carpenters, nothing more.
Why do you hate our Lord and Saviour?
Well I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.
Originally Posted by Sarmatian:
So was Jesus!!!
Why do you hate our Lord and Saviour?
Jesus demanded that you throw away your worldly possessions and follow him. That's rather expensive, isn't?So was Jesus!!!
Why do you hate our Lord and Saviour?
Poles are cheap, the opposite of Jesus... Which means they must be the Anti-Christs.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Well I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.
Yeah, I know him. Kwazimier Polansky, the tallest Pole I've ever seen.Well I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Jesus demanded that you throw away your worldly possessions and follow him. That's rather expensive, isn't?
Poles are cheap, the opposite of Jesus... Which means they must be the Anti-Christs.
Can we agree that there are super Poles, who are like Jesuses, who have cool powers and they're constantly battling the other Poles, who are more like Anti-Christs and... Ok, wait, I think I'm onto something here - will someone please call Marvel or DC Comics?Jesus demanded that you throw away your worldly possessions and follow him. That's rather expensive, isn't?
Poles are cheap, the opposite of Jesus... Which means they must be the Anti-Christs.
Where does this strictly anti-polish position come from? Or is it just a joke, I'm not getting?
SFTS conveniently leaves out the fact that Texas and Oklahoma have almost gone to war on several occasions. Texas probably would have attacked and squished Oklahoma several times over now, were it not for Oklahoma's trusted allies Arkansas and Kansas providing us food and manpower, and our ally Rhode Island providing a port from which to launch our navy. Things are not as peachy as he makes it out to be.
Originally Posted by Kival:
Where does this strictly anti-polish position come from? Or is it just a joke, I'm not getting?
Don't worry, I consider all our new eastern european states to be equally irrelevant Where does this strictly anti-polish position come from? Or is it just a joke, I'm not getting?
I love how underneath the Socialist facade you're as racist as the most right-wing Norse.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Don't worry, I consider all our new eastern european states to be equally irrelevant
This is basically what I was getting at.Don't worry, I consider all our new eastern european states to be equally irrelevant
I fully plan to us the Southern & Eastern Europeans as cannon fodder once the Muslims spill over the gates.
Angloshphere/protestant blood shouldn't be spilled until it absolutely has to.
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I love how underneath the Socialist facade you're as racist as the most right-wing Norse.
I love how underneath your facade, you're just sexy.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
This is basically what I was getting at.
I fully plan to us the Southern & Eastern Europeans as cannon fodder once the Muslims spill over the gates.
Angloshphere/protestant blood shouldn't be spilled until it absolutely has to.
I love how underneath your facade, you're just sexy.
What's a muslims?This is basically what I was getting at.
I fully plan to us the Southern & Eastern Europeans as cannon fodder once the Muslims spill over the gates.
Angloshphere/protestant blood shouldn't be spilled until it absolutely has to.
I love how underneath your facade, you're just sexy.
Originally Posted by Sarmatian:
What's a muslims?
The people you tried to ethnically cleanse.What's a muslims?
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