Colorado passes Gun Control Laws

[Lemur]

Your credibility on this subject

My credibility as a human being on every issue

Misquoting to achieve an aggrieved (but false) cry of ad hominem is beneath you.

Your credibility on this subject is shot, in my opinion.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Misquoting to achieve an aggrieved (but false) cry of ad hominem is beneath you.

Your credibility on this subject is shot, in my opinion.

Have I ever lied to you about something on this issue?
Did I not correct my assertions on 2 separate occasions when proven incorrect? (refresher -my post about Obama's statement that he never made, and my expectation that the AWB/mag ban would pass this Senate)
Do I support the basic idea of expanding background checks to all sales?

[Lemur]

Do I support the basic idea of expanding background checks to all sales?

And yet you gloated and chest-thumped when it was defeated. Revealing, no? Tell me again how "your" side will "reintroduce" the bill.

[ICantSpellDawg]

And yet you gloated and chest-thumped when it was defeated. Revealing, no? Tell me again how "your" side will "reintroduce" the bill.

I challenge you to find an issue that I had credibility on in the first place before I get upset about losing the respect people never had for my political opinions.

The reality is that you value moderation. Because you feel that no moderation was had, you feel that an injustice has been done. Even though the checks had nothing to do with New town, even though violence has decreased dramatically in at least a correlative relationship with a dramatic increase in guns owned.

As we have stated, I don't live in the Midwest or have the luxury of not knowing what life is like in the enlightened northeast these days. There is no moderation in forcing me to have 7 rounds in my previously mandated 10 round mags. Or in requiring me to drive 50 miles and take time out of work over a period of 3 days in order to buy a handgun... Every time you buy one - after already going through a face to face background check which renews every 5 years. Or in forcing you to take the most modular modern rifle and butcher it in order to make it state legal.

BTW, this isn't the end. The Democrats in NY wanted 5 round mag limits. The "compromise" was 7.... Last time the compromise was 10. They'll keep pushing until it is one. One round, one gun. Then it will be none. These laws are stupid and have become dangerous. I don't believe that they help the issue at hand, but I do believe that they help democrats whittle away at our second amendment rights. Nipple-twists just to hurt their enemies. This is how people work when they hate each other, and they hate us. Especially because we have been beating them on this issue, both numerically and logically. They will use their laws to persecute us, to harass us and to make our lives more difficult if we let them. That's what they do where I live. That's probably what Republicans do to democrats where they are in the majority. How much "moderation" should I have to accept in NY? We've got background checks for all sales in NY already.

Should the background bill have failed? probably not, because background checks are not infringements, but if it ends up helping democrats at the midterms I wont be surprised that it failed. They had the opportunity to make it work and didn't want to because they thought they'd get more currency out of letting it fail as it was then coming to an agreement and having it affect crime in no way.

BTW, I celebrated the defeat of the democrats on that bill, I thought that the 3 parts that I could live with would pass. I would like to see checks expanded to all sales. The only reason that they wont pass is because you won't go the extra length to get the agreement. Remember, this is what you guys think will work to cut down crime. We think it's short-sighted but might not hurt if done correctly. You come to us on the re-hash of this issue or don't be surprised if it fails again

[ICantSpellDawg]

ITAR is obviously being used to prohibit something for political reasons, which is a double-dose of insulting because 1.) Its never cool to take a law out of context because you need a knee-jerk reaction to something, and 2.) The domestic problems of other nations are their own problems. The way ITAR has been used here can only be considered a restriction of the American citizen's ability to buy and sell an American product on the behalf of... people who aren't American. That's not cool either.

This is a good read of the situation. It carries over for other speech/property issues, too.

[Greyblades]

Misquoting to achieve an aggrieved (but false) cry of ad hominem is beneath you.

It is also very confusing.