Colorado passes Gun Control Laws

[ICantSpellDawg]

As for the whole gun thing, there's fewer special interest groups but it's already just as hopeless. And even the winning side isn't happy as long as they haven't shot their opposition so deep into the ground that they can even arm toddlers and dogs it seems. Because you know it's a slippery slope, today you allow gays to carry guns and tomorrow they'll want guns for their dogs and goats.

This is a problem. We've forgotten how to compromise. Today, it sounds like compromise when you get 5 opposition Senators to sign on to your bill. That is a vote, not a compromise. A compromise entails one group winning some, losing some for their idea of what will sove a percieved problem. Then, the other side wins some and loses some for their idea of what will solve a related percieved problem. This is required in todays government and that is a good thing.

To me, a flat bill would include a requirement that all sales undergo an easy to obtain federal background check. The end. This could be spot checked and you can be slapped with jail time or a fine if you are caught breaking this law. This is not an infringement. Instead, Democrats wanted to increase record keeping requirements and create an early draft of a gun registry which would include every gun sold on a 40 year delay (when FFL's retire or close down they must submit all records to the ATF). Equally intense, Republicans were pushing for concealled carry reciprocity on top of it.

If we keep it simple, without a record keeping requirement we will most likely pass it. This will be good for everyone - it is litterally a win/win. This is a compromise, and only Tom Coburn could see it. We should all be ashamed, if there is shame going around.

[Lemur]

Trecord keeping requirements and create an early draft of a gun registry which would include every gun sold

Factually untrue, unprovable, without documentation of any sort, slippery slope fallacy, and (not surprisingly) take straight from the NRA talking points.

But hey, don't let that stop you.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Gun store owners claim that ATF agents will occasionally copy their records on inspection. Additionally, if the ATF is collecting ALL personal records upon store closure or license revocation, what do they do with our records?

Also - you are going to give us a promise that no Registry will be made? Didn't we already have that in the 1986 bill?

What about "out of business records"? where do those go? If FFL's are required to record ALL sales, professional or private; personal records will exist for ALL sales. There will be a record of every sale with personal information to EVERY owner of a firearm that the ATF has access to at all times and regularly makes copies of improperly.

The reality is that we supposedly have a ban on a registry already (which is ignored with impunity), offering us what we already have is a BS compromise and is meant to fool those who are not aware of it.

Based on my understanding, you are either knowingly or unknowingly mis-representing truth on this issue.

[Strike For The South]

Gun store owners claim that ATF agents will occasionally copy their records on inspection. Additionally, if the ATF is collecting ALL personal records upon store closure or license revocation, what do they do with our records?

Going to need a source

[ICantSpellDawg]

Going to need a source

http://twg2a.wordpress.com/2013/02/2...of-4473-forms/

check appendix

The main concern beyond dated record collection is 4473 record copies outside of specific criminal investigation with subpoena. Could it be overstated? absolutely. Could it be an outright lie on the part of gun groups? I hope so.

Also, I'm pretty sure that many States keep gun records. Handgun permits in my state require addition to your file of the specifics of each handgun (and now "assault rifle") that you own. I don't know what you think that they dio with them.

[Strike For The South]

Which one Tuff?

[ICantSpellDawg]

The alaskan one.

[Greyblades]

Wait, has the ATF been revived? Because last I heard the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was so declawed they didn't even have a director. If so I doubt they do anything with your records more than use them to collect dust.