Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

[Major Robert Dump]

Marriage is on the decline.
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

The economy is in a rut
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Fewer people are buying houses
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

There are too many single parent households
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

There are too many uninsured Americans
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

We need more educated immigrants
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Marriage creates a more stable tax base
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Its too hard to get financial aid for college
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

We need more tax revenue without raising taxes
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

America is secular
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

America is free
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

[Husar]

I disagree.
So legalize same sex marriage, dummy

[Lemur]

[Rhyfelwyr]

I don't think gay marriage as a social and moral issue should be conflated with economic imperatives.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't think gay marriage as a social and moral issue should be conflated with economic imperatives.

There is no social or moral issue.

And since Republicans are all economy and taxation experts and stuff, and they talk about how totally awesome family values are and stuff, then I would think they would be all about creating some more families and some more good old dependable tax payers and economic stimuli.

[Rhyfelwyr]

There is no social or moral issue.

The issue is primarily social and moral in nature, for both sides of the argument. Some people see homosexuality as immoral, some people see the denial of marriage rights to homosexual couples as immoral.

While you are obviously free to challenge this focus on the moral side of things, you need to offer some sort of refutation of it before you start calling people dummy and making points that most people regard more as tangential than disagreeable.

And since Republicans are all economy and taxation experts and stuff, and they talk about how totally awesome family values are and stuff, then I would think they would be all about creating some more families and some more good old dependable tax payers and economic stimuli.

If you're going to take the liberty of completely redefining what they mean when they talk about certain concepts, how can you expect to engage with them?

[The Lurker Below]

Sorry, I'm sure this is off topic, but I was just wondering if anybody else noticed this:

when my 2.5% gay personality takes over it seems like a lot more people enjoy my company.

no? ah, maybe it's just me.

[Empire*Of*Media]

Marriage is on the decline.
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

The economy is in a rut
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Fewer people are buying houses
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

There are too many single parent households
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

There are too many uninsured Americans
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

We need more educated immigrants
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Marriage creates a more stable tax base
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

Its too hard to get financial aid for college
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

We need more tax revenue without raising taxes
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

America is secular
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

America is free
Then legalize same sex marriage, dummy

indeed of course !! in past only sick people or those opposed bad cultural matters that draged them to be Gays (or lesser, lesbian)

but now, Hollywood does anything to spread Gayism and Lesbianism !! and you know, made it NATURAL Thing!! indeed that some have mind and moral problem that must be worked with him and be resolved for him (not Excommunicated!) because of enviremental and some other things influenced him, but legalizing Gayism or Lesbiansim, will hurt the cultural and human essence, specially when they leglized adopting child to two Gays i just was shocked, how they could humiliate the humankind and waiver the moral & spiritual and emotions of a innocent child, like a love and devote oneself of a mother for the child or both father and mother!!

i know some of you will disagree me, because you think its a natural right, but this is not right, this is an insult and humiliate the essence and origin of humankind !

[johnhughthom]

Care to explain why?

[Fragony]

Used to think that as well, but in reality there isn't any problem. I'll admit the thought still makes me somewhat uncomfortable but I totally moved to the other side of the argument. Gays who adopt a child are really devoted and always highly educated and financially well off, rules are strict. These kids come from broken family's who can't provide for them, better off with a homosexual couple. Heterosexual couple I'd prefer but what's the problem really as long as it has loving caretakers.

[Empire*Of*Media]

no i repeat again, this was first an strange problem, but now its a natural problem, im not speaking from religion (i dont have religion) or my culture, it just needs to deeply think and go to your conscience. and raising child doesnt need education, needs love, even if father does not exist, but love and kindness of a mother (female) is strongly vital, man con not, i repeat can not be like women, the natural creations says this, man CAN NOT have the woman's love and patience and tolerance self-devotion &........ as it was for millions of years. this things you say it is what that been told you to believe, i said thats a problem, but it should not be excommunicated or rejected by the community, it should be resolved mentaly and moraly.

this "Horrible" issue that its naturality came in late 20th century is because that life got easier, and of course spreading Atheistism that deletes a Good Human frame, so gradualy the people instead of lovley and have a normal human based life, someو, or in future most maybe, seeks and follows what only brings for them pleasure and and out of normal things !!
and of course Hollywood and those that are helping and supporting the Atheistism and Prostitutionism and PORN industry, make you slowly and gradualy for generations to believe what they wish.

i really can not believe how this false and evil belief is spreaded in their so called civilized nations! even Barbarians and beasts do not do this !!
oh of course Barbarians were better !

if you read OSHO's Great Book, From Sex to Samadhi (From sex to Ultra-knowledge) i'll swear your false beliefs will be changed (Fixed).

[johnhughthom]

You mentioned gay and lesbians above, your argument only touches upon two men bringing up a child. What about two women, surely that would lead to some sort of super baby, going by your post?

indeed of course !! in past only sick people or those opposed bad cultural matters that draged them to be Gays (or lesser, lesbian)

Just out of curiosity, what does the 'lesser' part of that statement mean?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Erm, Go Facism! I suppose.

Personally, I've become apathetic - heterosexual marriage has become completely meaningless - you get the same from spending a couple of hours with a Solicitor and getting him to draw up a legal contract - and it'll be a tenth of the price.

With that in mind, why should I care if homosexuals demand we pretend they're exactly like heterosexuals.

The bit that bother me is the double-speak and the way "homophobe" gets bandied around.

[Empire*Of*Media]

You mentioned gay and lesbians above, your argument only touches upon two men bringing up a child. What about two women, surely that would lead to some sort of super baby, going by your post?

i dont mean super child, just normal child, and you know, women are more smooth and have a natural strong feel to her child, i dont say for lesbians is good, but very better for a child that born with two gays !! i thank god i did not born in those un-natural & un-normal sick and so called Families !!


Just out of curiosity, what does the 'lesser' part of that statement mean?[/QUOTE]

i meant lesser, because in those times women did not have unlimited power and and they were more obedient, so we had very few lesbians in history, only limited to kings & emperors private palaces!

Dear Papewaio
your post was a very good & reasonable & logical !! thank you !

[a completely inoffensive name]

im not speaking from religion (i dont have religion) or my culture,.

If you are not speaking from religion, where do you get your morals from which you are making these arguments?

[Papewaio]

Morals are an emergent phenomena. You can call it magic if you don't understand it, but morals is essentially TCP/IP for humans. It's a bunch of different reactions and rules we have for situations involving other humans and other social network sharers.

Morals determine how we address, communicate, approach, share, talk, listen, back off, avoid, default to another moral gateway such as a parent, priest or book.

Our morals are partly informed by our understanding of ourselves and others. Awareness of self and that others are individuals with feelings to helps inform us on how we should treat each other in a group setting.

=][= As for the idea that men are destructive and not capable of proper parental love, and woman are doves of love. This is confusing ones sex with ones socially assigned gender role.

Nature is quite capable of showing how loving and caring a mother animal is when a human gets between it and its young. If you get between a cow and its newborn calf you will be attacked. Try it with a mother bear and her cubs and its a Darwin Award for you.

As a male parent with children. I look after and love my kids. I took two months off work unpaid to help raise our youngest one this year when she was born to be with her and help my wife. There are house husbands who look after their kids and have wives that work.

Gender roles are little more then traditions that are generally applicable. Not all men are bad cooks or rugged explorers. Not all woman make good mums. Gender roles suffer more from stereotypes as there is a lot of confusion over what is nature or Nuture. Also what we forget is that most people switch roles effortlessly during their day say from husband to commuter, to worker to boss to subordinate to colleague to get fit particapent, to father. Each of these roles will have a varying degree of nature whilst most will have a lot of learned experience.

Gender is not 1:1 with our biological sex.