I apologize to everyone.

[Greyblades]

What's the book about?

[HopAlongBunny]

What's the book about?

Simplistically (from my scan of the intro): race/caste and how to keep everyone in their proper place.

[Strike For The South]

I have read the book in university setting.

PM me if you need anything

Or want noodz

[a completely inoffensive name]

The book is about the socioeconomic effects of the war on drugs on the african american community in America. Essentially, the double standards towards middle class white drug users and lower class black drug users is in effect a New Jim Crow that represses African Americans relative to whites and other ethnicities in that the longer jail times and tougher penalties given to blacks mean a relatively more unstable family life back home as black children go fatherless or longer periods of time, if they even get to have quality time with a father. This further perpetuates the state of poverty many blacks find themselves in, since the white father gets to stick around and care for his child, usually only paying a heavy fee or a small amount of jail time while the black father is locked away for most the of the child's upbringing.

I'm sure I am completely lacking the details that actually brings the argument together, but like I said, I have not actually read the book. I have only seen interviews the author has done.

I recall PanzerJeager wrote a lengthy post on his opposition to the claims the book makes somewhere a few months back. But **** me if I am going to find it in the pages of Backroom threads.

[Major Robert Dump]

The book is about the socioeconomic effects of the war on drugs on the african american community in America. Essentially, the double standards towards middle class white drug users and lower class black drug users is in effect a New Jim Crow that represses African Americans relative to whites and other ethnicities in that the longer jail times and tougher penalties given to blacks mean a relatively more unstable family life back home as black children go fatherless or longer periods of time, if they even get to have quality time with a father. This further perpetuates the state of poverty many blacks find themselves in, since the white father gets to stick around and care for his child, usually only paying a heavy fee or a small amount of jail time while the black father is locked away for most the of the child's upbringing.

I'm sure I am completely lacking the details that actually brings the argument together, but like I said, I have not actually read the book. I have only seen interviews the author has done.

I recall PanzerJeager wrote a lengthy post on his opposition to the claims the book makes somewhere a few months back. But **** me if I am going to find it in the pages of Backroom threads.

I am curious why it would not compare middle class whites with middle class blacks, and lower class whites with lower class blacks.

I understand full well that money tends to get people off when in court, and that designer drugs are more indicative of the middle class, etc..... but this Jim Crow talk hints of some national conspiracy. While I certainly believe marijuana and heroin laws very much started out in that spirit in the early 1900s, I find it hard to swallow any more, particularly with the number of minority judges we have these days

However, I would be curious to know if the incarceration rates between poor white trailer trash meth users is really that much different than the rates of poor black crack users. Same with poor white weed convictions vs poor black weed convictions.

Assuming this is still an epidemic, how do we fix it? Do we implement the reverse of mandatory sentencing, and say anyone of race X must receive a prison sentence -30% as harsh as whitey gets for the same crime. Is that not the spirit of quotas, and of the reasoning that the oppressed cannot truly become equal until the former oppressors suffer as bad as the formerly oppressed did?

[Kadagar_AV]

I dare you to fact study how IQ between the races play a part, not to mention hormonal, adrenaline (aso) levels... Also throw in a meme argument or two "This is how green surroundings have told off kids for generations, this is how purple people have told off kids for generations).

If half the population is green coloured, more prone to rage, and generally more stupid, it also have a snowball effect... Someone green not prone to rage and quite smart will be shorthanded on the open market, where others see him/her just as "green". This makes the cultural bias larger than the actual physical difference.

But yeah... I'm not sure if that road of science is acceptable in your university settings ;)

[a completely inoffensive name]

I dare you to fact study how IQ between the races play a part, not to mention hormonal, adrenaline (aso) levels... Also throw in a meme argument or two "This is how green surroundings have told off kids for generations, this is how purple people have told off kids for generations).

If half the population is green coloured, more prone to rage, and generally more stupid, it also have a snowball effect... Someone green not prone to rage and quite smart will be shorthanded on the open market, where others see him/her just as "green". This makes the cultural bias larger than the actual physical difference.

But yeah... I'm not sure if that road of science is acceptable in your university settings ;)

Glad to see the spirit of Cecil Rhodes still hasn't died. And America is apparently the racist country.

[Kadagar_AV]

Glad to see the spirit of Cecil Rhodes still hasn't died. And America is apparently the racist country.

Elaborate?




EDIT: As an example, I for one - if I had two equal candidates to join my sprint team or marathon team - would go with a black guy before a white guy.

Why?

Because the odds are with me on the negroe progressing more.

[jirisys]

Because the odds are with me on the negroe progressing more.

El negro quiere bailar.

http://journals.witpress.com/paperin...=400&width=600

~Jirisys ()

[a completely inoffensive name]

Elaborate?

EDIT: As an example, I for one - if I had two equal candidates to join my sprint team or marathon team - would go with a black guy before a white guy.

Why?

Because the odds are with me on the negroe progressing more.

The minute you brought up IQ scores with a serious face was when I really stopped taking your argument for anything other than racism. Why did you even bother substituting black with green in your original analogy? Just say what you are thinking.

[Ironside]

Elaborate?

EDIT: As an example, I for one - if I had two equal candidates to join my sprint team or marathon team - would go with a black guy before a white guy.

Why?

Because the odds are with me on the negroe progressing more.

You should also pick the Swedish hockey player and the Norweigian skiier, because the success of the group identity will influence their results. And it's around there things get really messy.

[Fragony]

I dare you to fact study how IQ between the races play a part, not to mention hormonal, adrenaline (aso) levels... Also throw in a meme argument or two "This is how green surroundings have told off kids for generations, this is how purple people have told off kids for generations).

If half the population is green coloured, more prone to rage, and generally more stupid, it also have a snowball effect... Someone green not prone to rage and quite smart will be shorthanded on the open market, where others see him/her just as "green". This makes the cultural bias larger than the actual physical difference.

But yeah... I'm not sure if that road of science is acceptable in your university settings ;)

It's rather controversial for obvious reasons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Bell_Curve

I haven't read it mind you