responding to common objections to bible

[Major Robert Dump]

I didn't realize that TV Series was stirring up so much trouble, now I wish I had watched it.

Be nice

[drone]

I didn't realize that TV Series was stirring up so much trouble, now I wish I had watched it.

Be nice

Obama was apparently cast as Satan. He won't get an Emmy for it, but passable.

[Gregoshi]

Obama was apparently cast as Satan. He won't get an Emmy for it, but passable.

Had he only sold his soul to himself, he would get that Emmy.

[Papewaio]

I don't believe in Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Vishnu or one of dozens of others.

So why even choose from one of the three Abrahmic religions who worship the same god as each other?

Pascal's wager is flawed.
First there has to be a god of some ilk.
Second believing in the correct god or its intermediary has to benefit the believer.
Third there has to be a higher chance of selecting the right sect (if it exists) or despite correct diety selection one gets heresy and hell.

God is an entity that is not possible to disprove. This is not equivalent to being a proven entity.

For an atheist the Chrisitan God and all other dieties are in the same category as the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and other fairy tales. Sure there may be a core identity in the heart of some fables. But the fairy tale version such as Santa Claus is easily bypassed for more plausible explanations such as parents supplying the presents. There is no difference between a religious gathering and a sci-fi convention. Except a religious one gets tax breaks.

[Gregoshi]

But the fairy tale version such as Santa Claus is easily bypassed for more plausible explanations such as parents supplying the presents.

What?

[HopAlongBunny]

What?

He didn't mean that...

[total relism]

Here's my objection: It's man-made, and heavily edited. It has historically been used by humans and institutions run by humans to control other people, usually by taking parts of it out of context and using them as an excuse for dogma. Even read as a Narrative, where it doesn't contradict itself, it still tells a story that is radically different in message than the one most Christians believe in. Jesus himself occupies a pathetically small part of the text. Everything in the Bible before Jesus is what Jesus was trying to change, and everything after the gospels is just people trying to capitalize on his popularity.

With an objection like that, you would think I'm a staunch Athiest or something, but that's not the case. I do believe in a God, and I do think that Jesus embodied everything that is good about us as a species. Was he Divine? Not for me to say. The nature of divinity itself defies mortal comprehension, so why apply labels for the sake of dogma when you're dealing with a concept you can't understand? The man tried to change things for the better, died for it, and had his message twisted by the very forces he was preaching against. A more tragic tale couldn't be told.

Kinda surprised another one of these threads popped up.

I disagree with your unsupported opinion, you claimed its man made and heavily edited, are you referring to church councils?certain text through the years? what are you referring to ? when were what is your evidence etc. You than go on claiming that many take parts of bible out of context, i agree fully, what does that have to do with anything about objections to bible, not pastors. You than claim that the text tells a story different from what most christian believe, could you give any example? any major doctrine?. it is also false to claim the bible teaches one thing,than jesus changed it all. As far as jesus divinity, either he was mad since he claimed to be god, or he was god in the flesh.

[Montmorency]

There is only one Truth, Total Relism, only one path to Salvation - and you do not apprehend it.

I pray that one day you may perceive the genuine Light of God shining within you, and not sink ever further into the depths of Sin as you do now.

Be rid of your obstinacy, for God loves you despite all. Once you are prepared to See, God will Show you the way.

[total relism]

The kiddie prostitute banger?

yeah,but for the way he plays football.

No, that is what you are told to make for the most ludicrous claims that a benevolent omniscient god cannot communicate with you, and with anyone else, and you choose to believe in it. Precisely because you do not have those two inches of common sense I was talking about.

or perhaps its what the bible has said all along, as i stated this thread is objections to the bible, not what someone says or thinks about their version of a god.

Relevant video:


Which is another example of mindboggling stupidity of a fairy-tale that you choose to believe in. It's on the same level of those brainwashed folks who believe Kim Jong-Il & family are avatars of Godhood, and their spirits still live in the hearts of the glorious North Korean people, because they are told.

well its not in english and i have no idea how it is related to this thread. Your opinion above is just that, a unsupported opinion.

Why, oh why do you persist with those silly fallacies??? You're the one who has to prove the existance of a spirit (Which is not proven to exist and even its definitions vary gigantically over what spirit is), and the existance of a god in the first place (Which likewise has dozens of thousands of different deities from all smalish pre-historical tribes until our days).

this if for a different future thread,this happen so common with me, i do evidence for god/bible, than they claim its not translated etc than i do translation, than say evidence for bible. Because i think you have missed the topic of this thread i will let you in on it. 15 most common objections to the bible, these are people objections to the bible.

And yes, yes I can. God never communicated with me, does not live in my heart because I already did quite a bunch of ECG and the doctors never found a god there. And since you have taken the liberty of talking in the name of billions of people, I'll take the liberty of speaking in the behalf of the more than 100 billions of human beings that have lived in history who have never heard of the Christian religion, have heard but weren't Christian, were Christian but never heard anything (If Inquisition cases are of any use), and tell you that they have never heard anything speak to them, besides other humans. God communicates with you as much as I can imagine a fictional character's voice talking something when I'm reading it in a book. It doesn't mean that he is actually talking, it's a figment of my imagination. And by God! Humans have tremendous imagination (See what I did there? :) ). God lives in my heart as much as I have an invisible jet-powered unicorns, right outside my house.

as stated you have to accept god for him to communicative with you, i like this quote

Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman. ~Author Unknown

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain


also was it not you who just said i had to prove god is spirit? than claim god should be in a flesh heart?.


as far as those who have never herd of bible see my first link.


how can god be my imagination? if as you say people never herd of bible/god how than could they make him up?. If i believe imagine in something that has nothing to do with if it true or not. I could imagine you are some robot typing as a test, that does not make it so.


"God cannot be a figment of my imagination because He is not at all what I imagined Him to be."
-C.S. Lewis

I don't believe in Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Vishnu or one of dozens of others.

So why even choose from one of the three Abrahmic religions who worship the same god as each other?

Pascal's wager is flawed.
First there has to be a god of some ilk.
Second believing in the correct god or its intermediary has to benefit the believer.
Third there has to be a higher chance of selecting the right sect (if it exists) or despite correct diety selection one gets heresy and hell.

God is an entity that is not possible to disprove. This is not equivalent to being a proven entity.

For an atheist the Chrisitan God and all other dieties are in the same category as the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and other fairy tales. Sure there may be a core identity in the heart of some fables. But the fairy tale version such as Santa Claus is easily bypassed for more plausible explanations such as parents supplying the presents. There is no difference between a religious gathering and a sci-fi convention. Except a religious one gets tax breaks.

why bible over any other religion? well there are many reasons for me personally,but that is for future thread, if you notice i have laid out 5 topic that are commonly brought up on this thread and others, care to disuse any?.


the rest is all unrelated and compeltey unsupported opinions not backed up with any logical reasoning. I cant wait for my last thread.

[Papewaio]

the rest is all unrelated and compeltey unsupported opinions not backed up with any logical reasoning. I cant wait for my last thread.

I'm sure others agree with at least that last statement...

[Kadagar_AV]

yeah,but for the way he plays football.



or perhaps its what the bible has said all along, as i stated this thread is objections to the bible, not what someone says or thinks about their version of a god.





well its not in english and i have no idea how it is related to this thread. Your opinion above is just that, a unsupported opinion.






this if for a different future thread,this happen so common with me, i do evidence for god/bible, than they claim its not translated etc than i do translation, than say evidence for bible. Because i think you have missed the topic of this thread i will let you in on it. 15 most common objections to the bible, these are people objections to the bible.





as stated you have to accept god for him to communicative with you, i like this quote

Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman. ~Author Unknown

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain


also was it not you who just said i had to prove god is spirit? than claim god should be in a flesh heart?.


as far as those who have never herd of bible see my first link.


how can god be my imagination? if as you say people never herd of bible/god how than could they make him up?. If i believe imagine in something that has nothing to do with if it true or not. I could imagine you are some robot typing as a test, that does not make it so.


"God cannot be a figment of my imagination because He is not at all what I imagined Him to be."
-C.S. Lewis





why bible over any other religion? well there are many reasons for me personally,but that is for future thread, if you notice i have laid out 5 topic that are commonly brought up on this thread and others, care to disuse any?.


the rest is all unrelated and compeltey unsupported opinions not backed up with any logical reasoning. I cant wait for my last thread.

You'r problem is just that. You have a set mind, You have no interest in a debate.

If You already know your next move, it's a clear sign You have no interest in interaction.

[total relism]

You'r problem is just that. You have a set mind, You have no interest in a debate.

If You already know your next move, it's a clear sign You have no interest in interaction.

interesting, i just see it as having debated 15 subjects for years and when people bring up one it makes me want to debate it. I have come to a conclusion after many years, does not mean it cant change i wish all to try.

[Jolt]

or perhaps its what the bible has said all along, as i stated this thread is objections to the bible, not what someone says or thinks about their version of a god.

It wasn't only in the modern age that people became gullible. Obviously, back at the time where the bible was written, people were far more supersticious and prone to believing in magical entities entities than in these days. You need only look at how many modern-day religions have took off the ground and compare it with Pre/Proto/Classical Times. Literally each group had its own religion. And none of them were Christian or even close to it.

well its not in english and i have no idea how it is related to this thread. Your opinion above is just that, a unsupported opinion.

Haha. It's really mindboggling how a human being can consider the overwhelming lack of proof of the existance of any magical entities unsupported in all areas of science, while thinking their own personal opinions, that were taught to them, about an invisible magical person in the sky is supported, justified, credible and legitimate. Never ceases to amaze me. And the video is related and has English subtitles. Unfortunately for you, contrary to English, which is an irrelevant language as far as historical liturgical scriptures go, Portuguese (Which is the language of the video) is far closer to languages relevant for historical Christianity. Even the title of the video is actually the word "God" written in a language which have been sanctioned by the Church for millenia. It's a pity your magical person did not embue you with the power to learn new languages. Just another thing you need to do it yourself, eh?

this if for a different future thread,this happen so common with me, i do evidence for god/bible, than they claim its not translated etc than i do translation, than say evidence for bible. Because i think you have missed the topic of this thread i will let you in on it. 15 most common objections to the bible, these are people objections to the bible.

You need to realize that your religion's book has zero weight when fundamenting the existance of anything. It has as much weight proving the existance of god magic as the Harry Potter books have weight proving the existance of wizard magic.

as stated you have to accept god for him to communicative with you, i like this quote

"You have to accept God, otherwise he won't talk to you!" Impressive how brainwashed people can become. This is religious sect crazy level.

also was it not you who just said i had to prove god is spirit? than claim god should be in a flesh heart?.

That's the crap you and other religious people are always spouting off, I'm not claiming anything.

how can god be my imagination? if as you say people never herd of bible/god how than could they make him up?. If i believe imagine in something that has nothing to do with if it true or not. I could imagine you are some robot typing as a test, that does not make it so.

God is your imagination because you have no proof of his existance besides what you're told to believe, and what you imagine.

"God cannot be a figment of my imagination because He is not at all what I imagined Him to be."
-C.S. Lewis

Alas, this happens oh, so often to people who suffer from delusions. They imagine someone they remembered, and then that someone starts acting in ways they couldn't "imagine". :)

the rest is all unrelated and compeltey unsupported opinions not backed up with any logical reasoning. I cant wait for my last thread.

But for someone who's talking about how magic fairies exists, trying to say other opinions are unsupported comes at as particularly hilarious and crazy.

[Greyblades]

Would you people please stop feeding the troll.