responding to common objections to bible

[total relism]

*Summary of what arguing with TotalRealism on these subjects feel like.

would you be willing to debate me 1v1 on "is there any scientific evidence for evolution" I will let you say give your best 5-10 evidences.
are you signed up at twc? i have debate offer their in fight club
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...r-s-Fight-Club


I dont wish to get into creation/evolution here yet, as that is future topic.


"Evolution has been observed. It's just that it hasn't been observed while it was happening."
Richard Dawkins in an interview with Bill Moyers on PBS, Dec. 3, 2004

“lets assume i dont take this biblical demand and apply it. That does not make it any less true you dont.But i feel I have for many years, for example, i will let you take your best 2 reasons why the bible is false, why if i apply this to the bible it would prove it false. Than i will add both to my future thread topics, that will show it is not me, but your lack of getting the other side and applying this principle that you are guilty of,deal?, you can chose any 2.”
Sorry, I really don’t understand your quest/ question.
The Bible as a book exists so t is a true object. Sometimes nice stories with plenty of sex, blood, and betraying and most of the time painfully boring…
A little bit like Tolkien.
It is the base of the 3 monotheistic religions, so that makes these 3 religions a little bit fairy tales if not in the application but in the “spirit”.

The stories in the Bible were (for some) just copied and adapted from others, some were just the story for the Jews by the Jews to celebrate their victories on others populations they either enslaved either slaughtered. Julius Caesar did the same. Or Napoleon…
Now, that doesn’t make the stories wrong, you know. A little bit of exaggeration, Hollywood style: God told me….

“you claim to have studied "religion" but even if true, what you got was a liberal atheist teaching clearly, not biblical or based on true history.” Ahhh, the good old methods: I am a liar, and even if not, deny the validity of the study… By the way, Biblical is antinomy of True Stories.
And yes, I got “a liberal atheist teaching”. We call the buildings where it is taught Universities. The difference is you can be a believer in Universities, but I still wait to see an atheist in Churches…

Quotes you ask for: St Paul: 1 Tim 2:9-15: “A woman [or, wife] should learn in silence with all submissiveness. I do not allow a woman [or, wife] to teach or to have authority over [or, dictate to] a man [or, her husband], but to keep quiet. Wives must be subject to their husbands (Col 3:18); Paul preference for Celibacy is that it avoids “distraction” (1 Cor 7:35): If this doesn’t make women a body without head…

I know you brush the following away, but I can’t resist:
Do note that the Sumerians were extinct when the Bible was written (and they have as well Flooding a Uruk's kings, a legendary figure in Sumerian literature, was warned about the flood by god and built an arch) so they were the first about Paradise, Creation from ribs and natural catastrophe…
About the warning before floding: Wrath of Enlil-Clamor, Warning- Utnapishtim, -Flood- 6 days & 6, nights,-Survivors- Utnapishtim and his wife, Covenant-Sacrifices and Ishtar's speech/immortality: remind you something? No? It should: Both stories have sacrifices at the end, flood is to destroy mankind, rain cover the land, gods tell the heroes beforehand, they are given specific dimensions, takes family and animals, releases three birds.
Sources: Gilgamesh, the Book.

first part

i offered you to be able to back up your claim that i did not apply these passages to bible or i would not believe it

The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going.
Proverbs -14.15

The first to present his case seems right,
till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17


i said you can bring up any two reasons to prove me wrong, the offer still stands.




second
woman no mind?
as i said a liberal teaching of "religion" means take quotes out of context to make your own idol of the bible, than to reject it. First you did not even quote the right passages, than the very passages refute your earlier claim of no souls in woman.. Than it says nothing of what you claim to back up, it goes against the rest of the entire bible,including pauls own letters showing how liberals take out of context to create what they want from bible.


first these are specific letters to specific churches, if they applied to all, they would be in form to all believers. This does teach men are to be the head of the church/house. Does that mean woman are less than? not according to bible, difernt roles after fallen sin cursed state of world.

so how are men to have authority over woman?

42 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
mark 10.

This does not make the man superior, only placed in a different role than the woman. The best example of this I can think of is the tribes of ancient Israel. The Levites were chosen out of the twelve tribes to be the priests and to run the house of God, but this didn't mean they were superior to any of the other tribes. That is just the position in which God placed them. In the same way, men are to be the authority in the church. Women are allowed to teach other women, and instruct men. Even Timothy, the recipient of this epistle, was tutored by his mother and grandmother (2 Tim 1:5; 3:15). God also commanded Abraham to listen to the council of his wife in Genesis 21:12. However, since the authority falls to the man, it is he who will be held accountable for improper decisions, such as also happened to Abraham when he followed bad advice from Sarah in Genesis 16.
So, God is not against women at all. Because each sex has a different role to play, doesn't make one role more important than the other.
And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
gen 1.27
Every person in the church has a role, and as is stated in 1 Corinthians 12, all positions become equally important to the mission of glorifying Christ and doing His will.

Read more: http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/...#ixzz2QdLDhw4g
http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/con030.asp





than notice what paul says elsewhere, can woman teach?

The Bible does not say that a woman cannot teach a man about Christ. Priscilla, along with her husband, taught Apollos the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26).
It does not say women cannot exercise spiritual gifts. The four daughters of Phillip had the gift of prophecy (Acts 21:9). 1 Corinthians 14:3 tells us "But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation." Thus prophesy and other gifts can be used between women and men.
It does not say that women cannot evangelize. Lydia, after being converted, had regular fellowships in her home and evangelized others(Acts 16:14,40).



as far as woman being helpers

Eve
she was created in the image of god 100%, created in the image and likeness of god gen 1 26-28 child birth was not punishment but gift,pain in childbirth was punishment#just as adam was punished. That eve was created second means nothing to importance, what is more important NT or OT?. When eve is called a helper, that word is only ever used of god in OT, this in no way means inferior to man, but godlike. God is not inferior to man neither is woman. Sutible helper means "like opisite him" a mirror image.


for more on "keep quiet"
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/200102/082_paul.cfm

The Bible does not say that a woman cannot teach a man about Christ. Priscilla, along with her husband, taught Apollos the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26).
It does not say women cannot exercise spiritual gifts. The four daughters of Phillip had the gift of prophecy (Acts 21:9). 1 Corinthians 14:3 tells us "But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation." Thus prophesy and other gifts can be used between women and men.
It does not say that women cannot evangelize. Lydia, after being converted, had regular fellowships in her home and evangelized others(Acts 16:14,40).




near east similarities
I am going to do thread on this in future, so keep an eye out, all i can can say is add a little skepticism to what you here before you believe my friend.