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    resiting the green dragon

    Here is a great documentary exposing the religious and spiritual beliefs and worldview of the radical environmental movement, watch and see how the leaders of the moments call on pagan deities of earth moon sun etc and worship "mother earth" among other things of nature. Learn who there high priest are, there rules that must be followed, and how they treat decanting or heretical views.[/B] Also included are the facts of science they do not tell you, the illogical and unfounded conclusions based on the science and knowledge we do have, and facts to reply to all there [B]scare tactic doomsday scenarios they will tell of what will happen if we dont follow them know. As well as how theyindoctrinate,the lies they spreed to help there agenda, and there history going back over 100 years of false predictions [prophecies] etc doomsday scenarios such as today's global warming warnings, these are not new these have been around all along and all there predictions have been false so far, watch in the leaders owns words there real purpose [its not to save trees].
    Overall very good very informative and very scary to know people have power and intentions that they have and there view of human life. Watch the videos pro death agenda etc millions die a year because of environmentalism policy who have power in poor countries to control the people.
    done from a christian perspective, but if you are atheist there will be more than enough facts to respond with next time a radical environmental starts making claims that will make this worth it.


    promo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAA2sLtzXJM

    topics of dvd
    The False World View of the Green Movement Dr. E. Calvin Belsner
    Rescuing People from the Cult of the Green Dragon Dr. Peter Jones
    Logos vs. Mysticism: Environmentalism's Flight from Reason Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
    From Captain Planet to Avatar: The Seduction of Our Youth Dr. Michael Farris
    A Brief History of Environmental Exaggerations, Myths and Downright Lies Dr. Steven Hayward
    Putting Out the Dragon's Fire on Global Warming Dr. David Legates
    How "Going Green" Impoverishes You, Your Church, and Your Society Hon. Becky Dunlop
    Ravaging the World's Poor Dr. James Tonkowich
    The Green Face of the Pro-Death Agenda: Population Control, Abortion and Euthanasia Dr. Charmaine Yoest
    Threats to Liberty and the Move Toward a Global Government Dr. E. Calvin Beisner
    A Biblical Guide to Genuine Creation Stewardship Dr. James Tonkowich
    Go Therefore and Make Disciples: Advancing the Gospel in a World Permeated by Environmentalism Dr. Peter Jones
    http://www.resistingthegreendragon.com/


    31,000 scientist reject global warming
    http://www.petitionproject.org/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qZHkvtV5rAHYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qZHkvtV5rA&feature=player_embedded"&HYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qZHkvtV5rA&feature=player_embedded"feature=player_embedded


    great documentary called cool it. By a professor who believes in man made global warming. Shows hoe cap and trade is big time corruption, talks of the scare tactics used to gain votes. Shows the indoctrination and scare tactic’s used on school children.Why alternative solutions are not considered.
    http://coolit-themovie.com/

    25 free videos, titled 25 videos al gore does not want you to see.
    http://www.ihatethemedia.com/25-anti...ant-you-to-see


    Global Warming:#A Scientific and Biblical Expose' of Climate Change free online
    gives many alternative reasons for global warming, shows recent sun activity is more likely cause of warming, that increase temperature is cause of increase c02 not other way around well as pointing out, a warmer climate overall is better than a cooler climate throughout human history. Shows how global warming polices kill over 1,000,000 in Africa every year. goes into death threats and other things made at those who “deny” man made climate change.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...rming-politics

    A Gallup poll at the time reported that 53% of scientists actively involved in global climate research did not believe global warming had occurred; 30% weren't sure; and only 17% believed global warming had begun. Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn't think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...1-5c755457a8af



    global Warming—When Politics and Science Collide gives alternative reasons for global warming.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...rming-politics

    1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming
    http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/...n-ipcc-gore-2/






    false prophecy of radical environmentalist/Scare tactic’s lies.

    threats/scare tactic’s of famine,plagues,floods etc come right out of the OT. If we dont follow these certain rules, or if we sin against mother nature, she will punish us with famine floods etc.

    Doomsday scenarios [al gore] straight out of book of revaluations.



    some predictions of radical environmentalist from 1970,they have being trying scare tactics for decades and even started in late 1800's all have been wrong and way off.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
    • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist


    “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
    • George Wald, Harvard Biologist

    “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
    • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

    “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
    • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

    “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
    • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

    “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
    • Life Magazine, January 1970

    “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
    • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

    In the 1960s,environmental scientists similarly claimed
    that DDT harmed humans and caused cancer, thus resulting in a near worldwide ban on the use of that pesticide. Now, four decades later, the scientific community has found no harm to humans from DDT,30 so it has been reintroduced to fight the mosquitoes that carry malaria. .31 Regrettably, in the intervening years, between one and two million persons each year needlessly died each year from malaria because DDT had been banned.32
    Africa Fighting Malaria, “Dr. Conyers, I Presume” (at http://www.fightingmalaria.org/article.aspx?id=785); Spiked, “Without DDT, malaria bites back” (at http://www.spiked-online.com/Article...htm).HYPERLINK \l "R30"(Return)


    Today, we are told by many—scientists, economists and politicians—that the great environmental challenge of the present age is climate change. Thirty years ago, scientists were certain that the world was rapidly cooling, and the first Earth Day was celebrated on April 22, 1970, amid fears of a new ice age. Fortune magazine cited a number of leading climatologists who had concluded that global cooling was “the root cause of a lot of that unpleasant weather around the world”, and that “it carries the potential for human disasters of unprecedented magnitude”.1
    Peter Gwynne wrote that there were ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns had begun to change dramatically and that these changes would result in a “drastic decline in food production—with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth.”2#He added:


    “The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it … The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”



    some of the kind of lies
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    greenhouse gas
    95% of greenhouse gas is water vapor.


    any co2 released is a pollutant, .

    carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, it is like calling clouds pollutants, they are naturally forming and essential to life.
    an appeal to reason a cool look at global warming Nigel Lawson.
    http://www.amazon.com/Appeal-Reason-.../dp/B008SLKRA6

    without c02 there is no life on earth. Plants/trees grow a lot better with added c02 in autmospher.


    great documentary called cool it. By a professor who believes in man made global warming. talks of the scare tactics used to gain votes. Shows the indoctrination and scare tactic’s used on school children. Why alternative solutions are not considered.
    http://coolit-themovie.com/

    threats/scare tactic’s of famine,plagues,floods etc come right out of the OT. If we dont follow these certain rules, or if we sin against mother nature, she will punish us with famine floods etc.

    Modern endangered species is a modern day noahs ark. Doomsday scenarios [al gore] straight out of book of revaluations.

    claim world is falling apart
    we have more trees know than a decade before,and decade before that etc.
    cleaner water cleaner air, both are improving all the time.
    More food production with far less farm space used.
    Estimated sea level rise by un 1 foot over next 100 years, in last 100 years it rose 1 foot. No one noticed.

    Polar bears- 1960 estimated 5,000 today 2012 22,000.

    the world is overpopulated

    if texas were populated with the density of new york city it would have more than enough room to fit entire worlds poulation.
    http://www.omg-facts.com/Other/The-E...d-Fit-In/55348

    the#world#population#could fit in#Texas#with a density of new#York#city.
    Did you know…everyone on the planet (7 billion) could fit in the state of Texas (area of 268,820 square miles) at a density 26,040 people per sq. mile. Thats a 1000 less people per square mile than in New York City!

    If you put all 7 billion people in Alaska (663,268 square miles) there would only be 10554 people per square mile. Rather roomy. And if all of the planets people were put in the united states (3.79 million miles) there would only be 1846 people per square mile.

    Bottom line…there is plenty of room on this planet and there are plenty of resources, and when resources become constrained man will use his creativity and resourcefulness to solve any problems that may arise
    http://www.omg-facts.com/Other/The-E...d-Fit-In/55348

    the entire world#population#could fit in#Jacksonville#Florida#twice [standing room.]


    Would water be a problem, though? It's calculated that we need 350 billion liters of water per day to properly hydrate 6.8 billion people. It seems like a lot, but the Columbia River alone could produce that amount in less than a day. By the way, the Columbia River is the U.S.’s fourth largest river. So, again, that leaves the rest of the world’s water supply open and ready to serve. So, we’re not really overpopulated. We just need to be better at managing our resources
    Read more at#http://www.omg-facts.com/Other/The-E...HEguTgX8lv.99#
    http://www.omg-facts.com/Other/The-E...d-Fit-In/55348

    http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smar...ity-8230/17896


    We are running out of resources
    #virtually all environmentalists, including some Christian ones, believe that resources are limited and are rapidly running out due to increased demand. The reality, however, is that such claims have been circulating since the time of Tertullian in the second century#ad, and we have still yet to run out of any significant resource, nor are we likely to in the foreseeable future. In truth, we have an abundance of natural resources
    http://creation.com/creation-preserv...ominion-part-2

    Cyprian, writing in the third century, stated:
    “You must know that the world has grown old, and does not remain in its former vigor. It bears witness to its own decline. The rainfall and the sun’s warmth are both diminishing; the metals are nearly exhausted#
    St. Cyprian,#ad Demetrium;#in: Jones, W.T.,#A History of Western Philosophy,#2nd#ed., Harcourt, Brace, and World, New York, vol.#2:6, 1969

    George Reisman points out,
    “ … the fact is that the world is made out of natural resources—out of solidly packed natural resources, extending from the upper limits of its atmosphere to its very center, four thousand miles down. This is so because the entire mass of the earth is made of nothing but chemical elements, all of which are natural resources … Even the sands of the Sahara desert are composed of nothing but various compounds of silicon, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, aluminum, iron, and so on, all of them having who knows what potential uses that science may someday unlock.”
    Reisman, G.,#Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics,#Jameson Books, Ottawa, IL, p. 71, 1998.

    In reality, resources are becoming more abundant, not less.
    http://creation.com/creation-preserv...ominion-part-2


    for responses to increase floods/rainfall,stronger/more hurricanes,sea level rising fast or slow? Greenland melting?c02 cause of most of the warming?climate models
    watch Putting Out the Dragon's Fire on Global Warming Dr. David Legates




    How they view mankind

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    "how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution...."
    SaveThePlanetProtest.com
    http://www.salon.com/2010/09/01/jame...covery_gunman/

    I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.
    —John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

    “we are so bad,so polluting,so exploitative,so violent,so destructive that we owe it to the world not to be born in the first place”
    steyn M america alone regenery new yorkp7-8 2002

    Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.
    —John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

    The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing….This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run.
    —Economist editorial

    We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.
    —David Foreman, Earth First!

    Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.
    —Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

    If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS
    —Earth First! Newsletter

    Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets…Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.
    —David Graber, biologist, National Park Service

    If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.
    —Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

    Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.”
    —Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

    To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem.
    —Lamont Cole

    The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer.

    Humans, it claimed, are planetary parasites. We are an infection, a “disease [that] has spread and is still spreading.” The editorial discusses “swarming human masses” and says that we, the food we produce, and the artifacts we manufacture all amount to waste products that make no ecological sense and serve no ecological purpose. As the last line of that 1970 editorial reveals, The Ecologist believes that halting “the spread of the disease with which [man] is afflicting the biosphere” is an admirable goal.
    The Ecologist
    http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2010/...ans-parasites/


    Much like The Ecologist, he believes human civilization should cease expanding and should be “reversed.” He thinks television shows should “stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants.” Instead, “programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility” should be aired. He believes humans to be “the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and [that we] are wrecking what’s left of the planet.”
    radical environmentalist James J. Lee

    Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
    The Ecologist


    At a UN summit on global warming the USA offered with the money to be spend to reduce global warming by 20%. to end hunger and famine disease and allow clean drinking water to all of Africa, the UN rejected.

    Global Warming:#A Scientific and Biblical Expose' of Climate Change gives many alternative reasons for global warming, as well as pointing out a warmer climate overall is better than a cooler climate throughout human history. Shows how global warming polices kill over 1,000,000 in Africa every year. They keep people in poverty leaving them without energy availability.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...rming-politics

    polices such as with ddt, kill millions of humans in asia to protect a higher rate of bird eggs being prayed apone because of thinner shells..
    Ravaging the World's Poor Dr. James Tonkowich resiting the green dragon.

    In practice, however, animal-righters usually regard man as#lower#than the animals. After the#Valdez#oil spill which killed 30,000 birds (about 0.1% of the area’s population), some called it a worse tragedy than the 1984 chemical leak in Bhopal, India. But this killed more than 3,000people#and injured 200,000 others.8#Many animal liberationists have said it is acceptable to use ‘defective’ humans in scientific tests as opposed to testing things on healthy animals.

    rey, R. & G.,#Journal of Medical Ethics#9:94–97, 1983


    India [many people starve to death, high population] according to UN grew enough food to feed whole population and export. But rats eat large amounts of food, that they will not kill because they view man= to rats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzpk7X4veM




    The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
    http://archive.org/details/TheFirstGlobalRevolution



    Nietzsche claims that religion has fostered guilt to such neurotic levels that some people feel culpable and apologetic about their very existence. Compare this with extreme conservationists who want to sacrifice themselves for trees and whales. And teachers, like myself, will attest to significant numbers of their students who feel that their cats or whatever are equal to human beings. And not only are members of the next generation egalitarian about all life, but they often feel positively awful about the way that their species has corrupted and defiled the whole beautiful symphony of nature. The planet, they feel, would be better off without us. We are not worthy. In this extreme form, one does not seek to reduce one's carbon footprint so much as eliminate one's very being.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/11...#ixzz2JwZucyHx





    Radical environmentalism a religion modern version of ancient pagan religions worshiping creation of mother earth, trees etc. popularization of Pantheism
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    “Western society is in a dramatic shift away from monotheism, notes Dr. Taylor, professor of religion at the University of Florida. And in many cases, he says, former believers are turning to Mother Earth to fill the spiritual void. He cites findings that large numbers of people in Europe and the United States express "deep trust in nature as inherently spiritual or sacred." “
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle1443672/


    “a new religion of Eco-fundamentalism”
    p 104 http://www.amazon.com/Appeal-Reason-.../dp/B008SLKRA6

    #“Environmentalism, as a substitute for religion, has come to the rescue.# “
    http://chronicle.com/article/Green-Guilt/63447/


    “I suspect that it is no accident that in Europe Eco fundamentalism in general and global warming absolutiam in particular, has found it's most fertile soil. For it is in europe that has become the most secular society in the world, were the traditional religions have the weakest hold. Yet people, still feel the need for comfort and higher values that religion can provide, and it is the quasi-religon of green alarmism and what has been well described as global salvationism....which has filled the vacuum with the reasoned questioning of its mantras regarded as little short of sacrilegious”
    p102 http://www.amazon.com/Appeal-Reason-.../dp/B008SLKRA6

    “The PC [political correctness] at the ipcs as it were, is the most oppressive and intolerant form of political correctness in the western world”
    p 105 http://www.amazon.com/Appeal-Reason-.../dp/B008SLKRA6


    In this innovative and deeply felt work, Bron Taylor examines the evolution of "green religions" in North America and beyond: spiritual practices that hold nature as sacred and have in many cases replaced traditional religions.
    Dark Green Religion: Nature Spirituality and the Planetary Future
    http://www.brontaylor.com/environmen..._religion.html

    Unlike faiths that promise heaven in the afterlife, eco-spirituality calls upon adherents to treat the biosphere as paradise on earth, he explains. Figures such as Al Gore have called environmental destruction a "spiritual crisis."
    The movement has latter-day prophets, including naturalist Henry David Thoreau and Sierra Club founder John Muir, and its own sacred texts, notably Charles Darwin's#On the Origin of Species, in which the theory of evolution suggests a kinship between humans and all living things.
    It has modern-day crusaders, such as Jane Goodall and David Suzuki, who wage campaigns to protect nature's "sacred balance."
    Although there is no central organizing body, devotees celebrate their own holidays - equinoxes, solstices and Earth Day - and make mass pilgrimages to sites such as the Carmanah Valley on Vancouver Island and Walden Pond in Massachusetts.#
    For others, the practice of eco-spirituality is ritualized in "mindful" walks in nature each day, or giving praise to the Earth as they consume their vegan meals.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...article1443672

    Instead of religious sins plaguing our conscience, we now have the transgressions of leaving the water running, leaving the lights on, failing to recycle, and using plastic grocery bags instead of paper. In addition, the righteous pleasures of being more orthodox than your neighbor (in this case being more green) can still be had—the new heresies include failure to compost, or refusal to go organic. Vitriol that used to be reserved for Satan can now be discharged against evil corporate chief executives and drivers of gas-guzzling vehicles. Apocalyptic fear-mongering previously took the shape of repent or burn in hell, but now it is recycle or burn in the ozone hole. In fact, it is interesting the way environmentalism takes on the apocalyptic aspects of the traditional religious narrative. The idea that the end is nigh is quite central to traditional Christianity—it is a jolting wake-up call to get on the righteous path. And we find many environmentalists in a similarly earnest panic about climate change and global warming. There are also high priests of the new religion, with Al Gore ("the Goracle") playing an especially prophetic role.

    We even find parallels in environmentalism of the most extreme, self-flagellating forms of religious guilt. Nietzsche claims that religion has fostered guilt to such neurotic levels that some people feel culpable and apologetic about their very existence. Compare this with extreme conservationists who want to sacrifice themselves for trees and whales. And teachers, like myself, will attest to significant numbers of their students who feel that their cats or whatever are equal to human beings. And not only are members of the next generation egalitarian about all life, but they often feel positively awful about the way that their species has corrupted and defiled the whole beautiful symphony of nature. The planet, they feel, would be better off without us. We are not worthy. In this extreme form, one does not seek to reduce one's carbon footprint so much as eliminate one's very being.

    The same demographic group for whom religion has little or no hold (namely white liberals) turns out to be the most virulent champions of all things green. Is it possible that these folks must vent their moral spleen on environmentalism because they don't have all the theological campaigns (e.g., opposing gay marriage, opposing abortion, etc.) on which social conservatives exercisetheir#indignation?


    Recently while I was brushing my teeth, my 6-year-old son scolded me for running the water too long. He severely reprimanded me, and at the end of his censure asked me, with real outrage, "Don't you love the earth?" And lately he has taken up the energy cause, scampering virtuously around the house turning off lights, even while I'm using them. He seems as stressed and anxious about the sins of environmentalism as I was about masturbation in the days of my Roman Catholic childhood.

    Environmentalism should be regarded on the same level with religion "as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity," according to a paper written two years ago to influence the future strategy of the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP), the world's would-be environmental watchdog.

    Read more:#http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/11...#ixzz2JwZucyHx

    In the documentary called “cool it”,shows it has become the “moral” issue of the day.
    http://coolit-themovie.com/

    With the decline of Christianity in the face of the evolutionary onslaught, environmentalism seems like a substitute religion, with an established dogma; ‘plastic is bad, recycling is virtuous, forests are sacred sites, developers are satanical’.3

    Hugh Mackay,#The Adelaide Advertiser, 2 May 1990

    #And much environmentalism is fanned by evolutionary pantheism. ‘Mother Earth’ is the creative goddess, who must be protected and pacified.

    Many modern environmentalists hold to a highly romanticized, virtually pantheistic view of nature. Images and stories of simple, yet idyllic, tribal life reinforce the erroneous “noble savage” stereotype—mankind living in glorious harmony with nature without pollution or overcrowding. These environmentalists, therefore, oppose any development that involves any alteration to nature. Such alteration is inherently bad, amounting to a moral violation

    Destruction of Religious Beliefs
    In order to bring about their desired complete reordering of society, the elite have engaged in a systematic effort over many decades to destroy the current religious and moral structures that have dominated for centuries. This requirement does demonstrate that there are real morals and values worth holding onto taught by the major religions even if their stories are largely fabricated. By promoting a do as you please culture via movies, television and other means the elite are creating a cultural climate of moral relativism. In such a climate there are no boundaries and the public can be led to accept any standard no matter how degrading.
    New Religion Based on Earth Worship
    Today, the elite are seeking to destroy the old religious belief systems and replace them with a "new age" religion based on a form of earth worship. Doing so will accomplish multiple objectives - to get people to accept lower standards of living; to accept voluntary sterilization to save mother earth thus helping to depopulate the planet; and to accept restrictions on rights and freedoms in the name of saving the environment.
    Scientists/Experts are the New Priesthood
    As we move into a more advanced form of scientific dictatorship based on earth worship, the new priests are the scientists and related experts. These experts will serve as the technocracy, or the middle man holders of knowledge, as they have throughout history.


    in india local village is wiped out with many deaths loss of house, crops because of overflowing river, Americans went there to help and to try and divert the river around the village to prevent death/financial loss. But locals would not as they viewed river as god like and not to me touched/messed with.
    Logos vs. Mysticism: Environmentalism's Flight from Reason Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi#


    "because the idea of climate change is so plastic, it can be deployed across many of our human projects and can serve many of our psychological,ethical, and spiritual needs"
    Dr mike hulme director of Tyndall center u of east anglia uk.


    celebrate the high holy day of this religion as they pay homage to the earth God. Of Earth Day, evolutionary anthropologist Margaret Meade once explained that:
    EARTH DAY is the first holy day which transcends all national borders, yet preserves all geographical integrities, spans mountains and oceans and time belts, and yet brings people all over the world into one resonating accord, is devoted to the preservation of the harmony in nature and yet draws upon the triumphs of technology, the measurement of time, and instantaneous communication through space. EARTH DAY draws on astronomical phenomena in a new way — which is also the most ancient way — by using the vernal Equinox, the time when the Sun crosses the equator making the length of night and day equal in all parts of the earth. To this point in the annual calendar, EARTH DAY attaches no local or divisive set of symbols, no statement of the truth or superiority of one way of life over another.



    their own ark of the coveneant
    embraced by the UN:
    Recognizing that the United Nations is central to global efforts to solve problems which challenge humanity, the Ark of Hope carrying the Earth Charter and the Temenos Books was exhibited at the United Nations during the World Summit PrepComII in January-February 2002.
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48749
    http://www.arkofhope.org/


    The Ark of Hope is a cheesy and presumptuous copy of the original Israeli Ark of the Covenant which housed the Ten Commandments that Moses received from God and carried down from Mt Sinai. This is meant to disrespect the original and also wipe out biblical religion.
    The Ark of Hope, a 49” x 32” wooden chest, was created as a place of refuge for the Earth Charter document, an international peoples treaty for building a just, sustainable, and peaceful global society in the 21st century. The Ark of Hope also provides refuge for the Temenos Books, Images and Words for Global Healing, Peace, and Gratitude. The Earth Charter’s 16 principles are the guiding vision behind the creation of these books. The Ark of Hope was created for a celebration of the Earth Charter held at Shelburne Farms, Vermont on September 9, 2001.


    there own temple
    C. GAIA & Temple of Understanding, NYC the
    Gaia is the pagan idea that the earth is itself a living organism. The Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City is actually a shrine of many non-Christian religions.#One author states:
    One of most influential NGOs (Non-governmental organizations) allied closely with the U.N. and intimately involved in their creation of agenda is the#Temple of Understanding (TOU), located in The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City. This organization’s objectives are, according to its website, “developing an appreciation of religious and cultural diversity, educating for global citizenship and sustainability, expanding public discourse on faith and ecology, and creating just and peaceful communities”. Most importantly, although not explicitly stated by the TOU, the cathedral is the center of cosmology, or the worship of Gaia. The Cathedral of St. John the Divine is not only home to the TOU, but has also previously housed the#National Religious Partnership for the Environment, theLindesfarne Association#and the#Gaia Institute, which are all proponents of the gaia hypothesis.
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48749


    10 commandments in gergiaeorgia_Guidestones

    Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
    Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
    Unite humanity with a living new language.
    Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
    Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
    Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
    Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
    Balance personal rights with social duties.
    Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
    Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

    The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
    http://archive.org/details/TheFirstGlobalRevolution


    Modern endangered species is a modern day noahs ark. Doomsday scenarios [al gore] straight out of book of revelations.

    threats/scare tactic’s of famine,plagues,floods etc come right out of the OT. If we dont follow these certain rules, or if we sin against mother nature, she will punish us with famine floods etc.

    modern day cap and trade is same as medevil catholic church indulgence.



    Global warming radical environmentalism agendas.

    "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."
    #Saul Alinsky’s “rules for radicals http://www.scribd.com/doc/60422138/Rules-for-Radicals-1

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    "Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
    - excerpt,#UN Agenda 21
    http://www.green-agenda.com/agenda21.html


    communist goals 1958

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
    communist wanted to take over and get behind the environmental movement as they thought it was only way to get enough regulation to control business, destroy the free market system and give more control to the government.


    1]radical environmentalist are after population control, trying to emulate china's one child policy [if the government deems you fit].
    2] relocate people from rual areas to cities
    3] higher gas prices
    4] manipulate transportation patterns.
    5] forbid human access to land
    6] seizure of private property
    7]restrict water use
    8]additional taxes
    9]restrict amount of waste
    10]forced community involvement
    11]many more.


    Agenda 21: How Will It Affect You?


    The activists now prefer to call it “climate change”. This gives them two advantages:
    1. It allows them to seize as “evidence” the inevitable occurrences of unusually cold weather as well as warm ones.
    2. The climate is always changing, so they must be right.
    3. Only the relatively elderly can remember the cynical haste with which the scaremongers dropped the “coming ice age” and embraced exactly the opposite prediction, but aimed at the same culprit – industry.#

    What is the way to destroy economy? Have the major producers and resources [coal oil etc] have so many fines payments they cannot afford anymore and scare public with disasters [global warming] if they use products.
    http://www.amazon.com/Agenda-Grindin.../dp/B003Z3CZGG


    great documentary called cool it. By a professor who believes in man made global warming. Shows how cap and trade is big time corruption, talks of the scare tactics used to gain votes. Shows the indoctrination and scare tactic’s used on school children.Why alternative solutions are not considered.
    http://coolit-themovie.com/


    great article great quotes
    http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/S...-UN-IPCC--Gore
    http://globalistagenda.org/




    a better economy and standard of living always leads to better protection and care of environment, yet this is not allowed in poor countries such as in africa/india by environmentalist. Why?.


    Global Warming:#A Scientific and Biblical Expose' of Climate Change gives many alternative reasons for global warming, as well as pointing out a warmer climate overall is better than a cooler climate throughout human history. Shows how global warming polices kill over 1,000,000 in Africa every year. goes into death threats and other things made at those who “deny” man made climate change.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...rming-politics

    federal money has spent 100's of billions of dollars trying to prove man made global warming, and ignores and does not fund other explanations data that contradict it.

    Some in politics environmentalist that are anti capitalism,political freedom,wealth,industrialization that use promotion of fears of global warming as way to serve there own agenda.

    Alternative solutions that dont change policy or help progressive agenda but just solve solution are outright rejected.
    great documentary called cool it. By a professor who believes in man made global warming. Shows hoe cap and trade is big time corruption, talks of the scare tactics used to gain votes. Shows the indoctrination and scare tactic’s used on school children.Why alternative solutions are not considered.
    http://coolit-themovie.com/
    and
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...rming-politics


    Strong hates capitalism, saying: “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?
    Maurice Strong
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48749



    Destruction of Religious Beliefs
    In order to bring about their desired complete reordering of society, the elite have engaged in a systematic effort over many decades to destroy the current religious and moral structures that have dominated for centuries. This requirement does demonstrate that there are real morals and values worth holding onto taught by the major religions even if their stories are largely fabricated. By promoting a do as you please culture via movies, television and other means the elite are creating a cultural climate of moral relativism. In such a climate there are no boundaries and the public can be led to accept any standard no matter how degrading.
    New Religion Based on Earth Worship
    Today, the elite are seeking to destroy the old religious belief systems and replace them with a "new age" religion based on a form of earth worship. Doing so will accomplish multiple objectives - to get people to accept lower standards of living; to accept voluntary sterilization to save mother earth thus helping to depopulate the planet; and to accept restrictions on rights and freedoms in the name of saving the environment.
    Scientists/Experts are the New Priesthood
    As we move into a more advanced form of scientific dictatorship based on earth worship, the new priests are the scientists and related experts. These experts will serve as the technocracy, or the middle man holders of knowledge, as they have throughout history.


    http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm
    http://agendadocumentary.com/
    http://www.amazon.com/Resisting-Corn...ref=pd_sim_b_1

    In a CSPAN interview, Van Jones#admits#that "environmentalists" only care about the environment when it helps advance their political cause:
    You’ve never seen the environmental movement more quiet during an oil#
    spill. I guarantee you, if John McCain had been President, with that oil
    spill, or George Bush had been President with that oil spill, I’d have#
    been out there with a sign protesting. I didn’t, because of who the#
    President was.
    http://thecitysquare.blogspot.com/20...is-always.html


    The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
    http://archive.org/details/TheFirstGlobalRevolution


    this is not surprising to any christian, as the bible said people would reject there creator and worship nature.

    20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
    romans 1
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    Ahahahahahahahaha.

    Also, I'm rather intrigued by this "Great book of revaluations"... Is that the book of the bible where all of its values are changed?
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    Don't need a bible to call the Green-Khmer ideolgy bullcrap, just another doomsday religion clever businessmen make lots of money with
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    Don't need a bible to call the Green-Kmer ideolgy bullcrap

    i agree.
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    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Don't need a bible to call the Green-Khmer ideolgy bullcrap, just another doomsday religion clever businessmen make lots of money with
    Still, it's usually best done with accurate arguments, something the OP doesn't have. At all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Still, it's usually best done with accurate arguments, something the OP doesn't have. At all.

    could you please give a example of a inaccurate argument i made? i would love to fix my op if you can show it contained any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    could you please give a example of a inaccurate argument i made? i would love to fix my op if you can show it contained any.
    Simple:

    All of it. Including the general tone. And the false quotations. A quick tip in that regard: when re-using a quote someone else has made, always check the original source to confirm its validity. Common mistake.
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    WoT
    I'm going to be as brief and polite as possible.

    Your argument is really weak, resulting from your sources. Your sources really suck, containing almost entirely unverified material. Browsing over them, I do not see a single peer-reviewed article. I do see a lot of Al Gore hate and things done from "a Christian perspective", which is fine, but that's not at all scientific. A lot of the quotes appear to be false or out of context. There also seems to be a large amount of effort to link environmentalism to communism.

    Your main source appears to be Youtube, which flushes your argument down pretty much immediately.

    You should try to find more valid sources, and not sensationalist, agenda-fueled ones.
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    Me dodging? The consensus among the scientists that study this is pretty clear. You are now attempting a majority=truth, except the apparent majority you cling on to has little knowledge about it in the first place!

    You seem to refuse looking at the science, and keep yourself locked in an endless loop of your favorite articles and videos. The proper term for that is Motivated Reasoning.


    I watched that already! That was the reason I gave you links that addressed their objections. It is all there for you to check out, and it is backed up with the actual studies.


    Makes what go away? Use better quoting in the future please. If it is about death threats, then I will try to clear: death threats are never OK, but since everyone gets them they don't tell anything about the other side. But it sure does feel good to be a victim while the other side are all evil.

    And of course my links are false info (more Motivated Reasoning) Anything that ruins your black and white view of the two opposite sides simply cannot be right!


    Since I have watched all the videos that were available in your OP (several I had already seen before) I already have gone through the other side and their objections. They belong to a minority view, and some of the stuff is actually so obvious, that you don't even need to be a scientist to see where they go wrong.

    You can easily find them yourself, as I have no interest in participating in something that undoubtedly will feel more futile than this debate.

    Then please tell me what the whole idea of his movie is.

    Agenda 21 and NWO? Or did I miss a more devious conspiracy somewhere? Anyway, I don't have much time: I would already have located the second shooter, if it hadn't been for those black vans blocking me on the way to Area 51.

    Trust no one.
    I disagree fully, we were talking on majority opinion, i was the one that originally said to you majority opinion does not=truth. You than claimed something like 97-99% of all scientist believe in man made global warming [as your reference claimed]. That is what i am replying to,that claim. That is why i said show me list of scientist, i showed 31,000 and over 1,000 on two lists, that reject. You cant show me your list. That you cant see the faulty logic/asumtions in your article i pointed out is not my fault.


    you gave me youtube videos and a website called http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php that has false info on front page. Not to mention you did not address anything specific besides that someone on other side was given death threats as well, as if that makes death threats towards global warming skeptics go away.



    you said
    "And of course my links are false info (more Motivated Reasoning) Anything that ruins your black and white view of the two opposite sides simply cannot be right!"


    i would apply this to you,but no i dont think anything that goes against what i think is likely true is false, just false info is false, that is why debates are good, you get both sides.



    would you mind giving some specific examples for me? you claim to have watched all the videos,could you give me some info on each that i cant find with a quick Google than? also i would love for you to tell me the reasons you reject/disagree with them. Starting say with video number one posted as you have said you watched them all lol.
    so we could start with
    http://www.resistingthegreendragon.com/

    or if you missed that one, sorry 12, than we can start with the fraud of all gore being sued, as you said last post.


    np, i will likely not look at them unless you bring them up in debate im very busy otherwise.


    I see no conspiracy here, this is well known and a official un document, i think it is you who needs to allow things besides what you want to hear in,before calling them a conspiracy to protect your worldview.




    "Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
    - excerpt,#UN Agenda 21
    http://www.green-agenda.com/agenda21.html



    1]radical environmentalist are after population control, trying to emulate china's one child policy [if the government deems you fit].
    2] relocate people from rual areas to cities
    3] higher gas prices
    4] manipulate transportation patterns.
    5] forbid human access to land
    6] seizure of private property
    7]restrict water use
    8]additional taxes
    9]restrict amount of waste
    10]forced community involvement
    11]many more.


    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/e...n-un-agenda-21





    Quote Originally Posted by ajaxfetish View Post
    All irrelevant. You misquoted HoreTore. Own it or remain disreputable.

    Ajax

    as i showed, you only think so because you ignored most all my post and did not follow, so you did just what you claim i did, that is why you cant respond to post 90 that clearly shows this, if their is someone to own up to something me thinks its you.


    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER View Post
    I'm going to be as brief and polite as possible.

    Your argument is really weak, resulting from your sources. Your sources really suck, containing almost entirely unverified material. Browsing over them, I do not see a single peer-reviewed article. I do see a lot of Al Gore hate and things done from "a Christian perspective", which is fine, but that's not at all scientific. A lot of the quotes appear to be false or out of context. There also seems to be a large amount of effort to link environmentalism to communism.

    Your main source appears to be Youtube, which flushes your argument down pretty much immediately.

    You should try to find more valid sources, and not sensationalist, agenda-fueled ones.

    I think you should reread,youtube is not major source at all. What " entirely unverified material" are you referring to, maybe i can help. You said " A lot of the quotes appear to be false or out of context." could you provide anyone that is?. You said " link environmentalism to communism. " that is true, why is that considered bad or false? Other than your original beliefs might tell you otherwise? sources agenda-fueled ones, what agenda is that? are they oil companies? are not the environmentalist agenda driven?

    I believe your post comes more from your bias/worldview than any deficiency in my op, or you would show examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    I disagree fully, we were talking on majority opinion, i was the one that originally said to you majority opinion does not=truth. You than claimed something like 97-99% of all scientist believe in man made global warming [as your reference claimed]. That is what i am replying to,that claim. That is why i said show me list of scientist, i showed 31,000 and over 1,000 on two lists, that reject. You cant show me your list. That you cant see the faulty logic/asumtions in your article i pointed out is not my fault.
    Fact 1: only an tiny amount of peer reviewed studies go against the consensus that global warming is primarily caused by man.
    Fact 2: polls show that a clear majority of scientists, in the relevant areas, thinks global warming is primarily caused by man. And the polls also show that the scientists who actively publish are even more convinced.

    Apparently you want all opinions to count as long as they have a fancy academic title. I would not expect a brain surgeon to know much about dentistry even though both the dentist and brain surgeon work somewhere on the human head.



    you gave me youtube videos and a website called http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php that has false info on front page. Not to mention you did not address anything specific besides that someone on other side was given death threats as well, as if that makes death threats towards global warming skeptics go away.
    That list does address all the stuff from the videos you posted. If you are capable of watching the videos in your OP then you should also be capable of watching and reading what is in my links. If you reject that then you are rejecting the scientific consensus. And then there is not much more to debate.

    would you mind giving some specific examples for me? you claim to have watched all the videos,could you give me some info on each that i cant find with a quick Google than? also i would love for you to tell me the reasons you reject/disagree with them. Starting say with video number one posted as you have said you watched them all lol.
    I did not watch the resisting the green dragon videos. The titles alone did not seem to address anything about global warming nor were the videos available for free. One thing is wasting time on the same old arguments, another thing is spending time and money on something that does not seem relevant to the debate.

    But at least you come with some specific claims now. Of course I have to do the work with all my false info:

    On Iris http://www.skepticalscience.com/lind...ion-part1.html

    No, the world ISN'T getting warmer (as you may have noticed)
    It is still getting warmer. http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...ed-in-1998.htm

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    Last night Myles Allen, Oxford University’s Professor of Geosystem Science, said that until recently he believed the world might be on course for a catastrophic temperature rise of more than five degrees this century.
    But he now says: ‘The odds have come down,’ – adding that warming is likely to be significantly lower.
    Prof Allen says higher estimates are now ‘looking iffy’.
    The five degree estimate is one of the higher estimates. But why not let Allen Myles speak for himself without being misrepresented by journalists: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...climate-change

    David Rose (Daily Mail) is not a good source when to comes to climate science. Examples:


    or http://www.skepticalscience.com/media_v_reality.html And I could find a lot more.

    And using quotes from people who have no qualifications at all (Morano) or one who might have a fancy title like a PhD in Astrophysics (Whitehouse) but no actual research, is the usual appeal to authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    as i showed, you only think so because you ignored most all my post and did not follow, so you did just what you claim i did, that is why you cant respond to post 90 that clearly shows this, if their is someone to own up to something me thinks its you.
    Why do I feel like I'm talking to a small child here? You showed nothing of the kind. Your other posts do nothing to alter the fact that you misquoted another poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBR View Post
    Fact 1: only an tiny amount of peer reviewed studies go against the consensus that global warming is primarily caused by man.
    Fact 2: polls show that a clear majority of scientists, in the relevant areas, thinks global warming is primarily caused by man. And the polls also show that the scientists who actively publish are even more convinced.

    Apparently you want all opinions to count as long as they have a fancy academic title. I would not expect a brain surgeon to know much about dentistry even though both the dentist and brain surgeon work somewhere on the human head.




    That list does address all the stuff from the videos you posted. If you are capable of watching the videos in your OP then you should also be capable of watching and reading what is in my links. If you reject that then you are rejecting the scientific consensus. And then there is not much more to debate.


    I did not watch the resisting the green dragon videos. The titles alone did not seem to address anything about global warming nor were the videos available for free. One thing is wasting time on the same old arguments, another thing is spending time and money on something that does not seem relevant to the debate.

    But at least you come with some specific claims now. Of course I have to do the work with all my false info:

    On Iris http://www.skepticalscience.com/lind...ion-part1.html

    It is still getting warmer. http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...ed-in-1998.htm

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    The five degree estimate is one of the higher estimates. But why not let Allen Myles speak for himself without being misrepresented by journalists: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...climate-change

    David Rose (Daily Mail) is not a good source when to comes to climate science. Examples:


    or http://www.skepticalscience.com/media_v_reality.html And I could find a lot more.

    And using quotes from people who have no qualifications at all (Morano) or one who might have a fancy title like a PhD in Astrophysics (Whitehouse) but no actual research, is the usual appeal to authority.

    fact one-already responded to many times
    fact 2 this is what i want you to back up, you have claimed this many times, please show me list of scientist who would say as you claim. As i said is showed 31,000 and 1,000. Can you show me your list?

    I fullt understand that they should be degree in area, that is why a certain well know list used to promote your belief is misleading as well. That me thinks is reason you wont post any list, as you already attacked my list for that. Notice my op did not say 31,000 phd qualified in area scientist. Simple fact is so far i showed 32,000 to your 0.



    so on one side you admit to not watching the videos, than yet make the amazing claim your link [with false info] answered all on the links i provided that you did not watch lol. I will say the same to you, if you have time to read all your links you should do the same for mine. I like debates, you have any i will watch, as i said im busy at current time to see these links at the moment,unless you make a direct claim. Given you have not watched anything i posted and offered no direct claims, i see no reason to read.




    thanks for admitting you lied about watching the videos on op that is not common online. Putting the green dragons fire out on global warming was the main one addressing global warming. I have no idea what your referring to with specific claim,iris.




    link a little outdated,that is why my link had present graph. Also i think you missed meaning of article, you likely did not read but just goggled your webpage or you would have known what was meant by article. Also who said the earth is not curentley getting warmer?




    thanks for links with Allen Myles, but even that does not change what he said or was responding to, it just put his other opinions in perspective. Not what was meant by the graph/new evidence. Did not watch video sorry. i think your asumtion that "PhD in Astrophysics (Whitehouse" has nothing to do with global warming is a large part of problem, radicals can only see humans as the cause of evil. Take the sun away, release all the c02 you want and see what happens.




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    Why do I feel like I'm talking to a small child here? You showed nothing of the kind. Your other posts do nothing to alter the fact that you misquoted another poster.

    Ajax

    as i showed my last response to you, you only think i did so ,when it was in fact you who did so to me, that is reason i wrote on it you wont be able to respond, and you cant as it shows you just did not read from beginning and only read one of my responses than created your own meaning, notice he has no problem understanding.


    i will copy paste

    nice editing, as i said, you only read part of my response [if any] than set up a strawman. The reason you see a problem is you did not read my other posts, he is fully right, it can be both good and bad as i even said oxygen could be as well on post 13. That is why what i said is important, i said when teaching climate change environmental issues, c02 is referred to as a pollutant, and any release of c02 as polluting the environment. This topic is on global warming false teaching etc not the importance of c02 and if that is taught separate of these issues.


    so i ask again
    multiple topics are brought up so i must respond to multiple topics. You claim i use "untrustworthy sources, poor logic, and misrepresentation of others' positions and statements" i wont wait for specific examples as you have shown unable to follow the same posts you criticize
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    as i showed my last response to you, you only think i did so ,when it was in fact you who did so to me, that is reason i wrote on it you wont be able to respond, and you cant as it shows you just did not read from beginning and only read one of my responses than created your own meaning, notice he has no problem understanding.


    i will copy paste

    nice editing, as i said, you only read part of my response [if any] than set up a strawman. The reason you see a problem is you did not read my other posts, he is fully right, it can be both good and bad as i even said oxygen could be as well on post 13. That is why what i said is important, i said when teaching climate change environmental issues, c02 is referred to as a pollutant, and any release of c02 as polluting the environment. This topic is on global warming false teaching etc not the importance of c02 and if that is taught separate of these issues.


    so i ask again
    multiple topics are brought up so i must respond to multiple topics. You claim i use "untrustworthy sources, poor logic, and misrepresentation of others' positions and statements" i wont wait for specific examples as you have shown unable to follow the same posts you criticize
    If you were to murder a man, the other actions you performed before and after would not alter that fact. Perhaps if he was abusing your sister and threatening her family, or some such, you might be able to justify the action, but it wouldn't change that fact that you had murdered him. While you might argue that you had reasons for misquoting HoreTore, and your other posts make clear those reasons, maintaining that you did not in fact misquote him is patently ridiculous.

    I'll consider addressing other topics once this is settled, but stop trying to deflect me beforehand. That's your go-to argumentation strategy, and I'm not interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    I fullt understand that they should be degree in area, that is why a certain well know list used to promote your belief is misleading as well. That me thinks is reason you wont post any list, as you already attacked my list for that. Notice my op did not say 31,000 phd qualified in area scientist. Simple fact is so far i showed 32,000 to your 0.
    You can compile a list of authors of all the studies yourself. After that you should compile a list of what precisely your 32,000 scientists have studied that makes them qualified to argue over global warming.

    so on one side you admit to not watching the videos, than yet make the amazing claim your link [with false info] answered all on the links i provided that you did not watch lol.
    Then make a list of all the claims regarding the science of global warming that you spotted in the videos. After that you compare with the rest of videos to see if there really was anything new. Then go through the links I gave you that explains what the science says. It is not that difficult.

    Putting the green dragons fire out on global warming was the main one addressing global warming
    Then you can easily go through whatever was said in your videos and check what science is saying in the links I provided. Since it apparently convinced you so easily then please enlighten us all with some of the specific claims they make. Maybe it would be stuff like: it's the sun, CO2 lagged behind in earlier times, cosmic rays, water vapor is more important than CO2, the models are wrong, scientists were wrong before, it's been hotter before, CO2 is good for plants, it's only parts per million and therefore unimportant. I'm sure I forgot some more claims but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks from your videos. The thing is that the answers are already there but it requires some reading.

    I have provided you direction to the springs of clean water, but it is up to you drink it. But apparently you are so good at spotting liars and poisoned wells, so whatever.

    I have no idea what your referring to with specific claim,iris.
    Lindzen's Iris Effect. You quoted it.

    link a little outdated,that is why my link had present graph. Also i think you missed meaning of article, you likely did not read but just goggled your webpage or you would have known what was meant by article.
    What link is outdated? It says last updated Jan 2013 and there is no new groundbreaking science that has come out since that shows otherwise. And we will keep hearing the same drivel from the same journalists until the ENSO starts throwing out a few El Ninos. Heck, then they will simply focus on other years because they just don't like the reality.

    If you want as recent as possible then there is this http://www.skepticalscience.com/guem...to-oceans.html. That is from a paper that was published early April. Seems like the debate right now is more about if the extra heat is all in the top 700 meter layer or if the deeper oceans also has taken in extra heat.

    Also who said the earth is not curentley getting warmer?
    Hmm...
    Quote Originally Posted by total relism
    No, the world ISN'T getting warmer (as you may have noticed)


    I think your asumtion that "PhD in Astrophysics (Whitehouse" has nothing to do with global warming is a large part of problem, radicals can only see humans as the cause of evil.
    His PhD has very little to do with Global Warming but more importantly where is his research on Global Warming. That is what matter the most. From this "false info" website we can see that he has problems understand James Hansen http://www.desmogblog.com/david-whitehouse PhD or not, he does not strike me as a big authority.

    Take the sun away, release all the c02 you want and see what happens.
    Earth would become a freezing snowball with a bit of life left at hotspots in the deep ocean. Nothing to do with our current situation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    You claim i use "untrustworthy sources, poor logic, and misrepresentation of others' positions and statements" i wont wait for specific examples as you have shown unable to follow the same posts you criticize
    In addition to the specific example I gave of you misrepresenting another's statement, here gaelic cowboy demonstrates your use of an untrustworthy source. Specific examples are not hard to come by, you just refuse to acknowledge them when they are presented to you.

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    This Winter-Spring was more due to disruption in the Gulf Stream. Part of the ongoing climate change.
    Must be jet streams you are thinking about? We are seeing more erratic behaviour and it seems like global warming is the cause of it.
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    indeed it has been part of the discussion in farming circles that this jet stream is moving further south a lot lately

    apparently it is looping more in a more pronounced W shape so it goes wet dry wet dry wet dry and when it's either it's extreme
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