Americans troubled more by governmental abuse than terrorism

[Fisherking]

This to me is no left vs. right issue. Sides seem to switch dependent on who is in office but it should concern us all.

And not just in the US because others seem to like to fallow suite.




http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...ent-terrorists

http://www.sott.net/article/261416-A...than-terrorism


Well, which camp are you in?

Do you want more surveillance cameras and house to house searches or has the government and its agencies gone far enough, or too far?

[Fragony]

Not American, also not sure where I stand. It's a matter of trust, I wouldn't trust my government with all too much liberties.

[Fisherking]

Here is one example of the current Security State. The War on Whistlblowers.

http://www.waronwhistleblowers.com/

There are assaults on 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights in recent weeks or months.

This documentary film is by someone obviously left of center.

As I said, it is not really just a left or right wing concern.

[Fisherking]

I'm always worried about the government, but what irks me is that Republicans try to play that card while ignoring that it was their party that has been responsible for growing the government in the most intrusive ways--War on Drugs, War on Terror, Moral Majority, etc. I'm not worried about Obama, because Democrats are harmless. But the ground-work has been laid thickly for the next Republican who gets elected to really do some damage.

Interesting you say that. It may well have begun under Lincoln but Democrats have been more than willing to go along and erode them further. FDR did his share and every other POTUS of the 20th and 21st century. Obama has accelerated the process so it is still not a party issue, It should be a people issue and to blame one side more than another is to miss the point entirely.

As long as you make noise when the other party is in office and shut up when your people are there, you will only make it worse.

[a completely inoffensive name]

See the funny is that when the bad guys were "over there" people were happy to give up freedoms if it kept them "over there". When the Boston bombings happened, the only thing more frightening than the terrorists were the armored ATV's rolling down the streets and the massive suppressive fire from the pseudo military forces directly into suburbia while in pursuit of the bombers.

[Husar]

Oh yes, such ideas could also only come from the government, the people always strive for more freedom.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...k-constitution

The whole episode is pretty good IMO btw.

It's not really a left or right issue but I was told there's really nothing you can do when people are scared and what they're scared about. It's human nature and you can't change it. Nothing can be done.
Essentially I'm not scared by my government yet, I believe they are mostly good, upstanding democrats trying their best to solve complex issues.

[Fisherking]

I am not afraid of the German Government either. They are not perfect. Still a bit too much surveillance but overall, no where near as bad as the US and many others.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I'm afraid of the US government. Republicans like myself got carried away after 911, democrats kept their heads because they were the opposition. At this point though I am willing to trade back; more freedoms for a slight uptick in terrorism if necessary. The country is at a crossroads. I choose the road that promises due process, rights to speech, arms, religion, opposes warrantless or unreasonable searches and seizures.

Do we make exceptions on aircraft? Sure. Should school backpacks now be forced to transparent? No.

I don't want safety beyond a certain level. I wasn't some expectation of it, but I would trade much safety for freedom.