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    Right.

    The abject poverty of riots by social media.
    Smart phones, TV, Internet, time to watch football, excess wealth to spend on team colours.

    Maybe read a little about what life was like before the industrial revolution.

    The average person was illiterate, had no extra clothes, the concept of watching sport and having disposable income to spend was non existent for the masses.

    Our poor in the first world are richer in many ways then the wealthiest pre industrial monarchs. Health, length of life, mobility, access to information, have all dramatically increased.

    A pyramid scheme is a zero sum game redistributing profits from the bottom to the top.

    The industrial revolution allowed massive productivity gains. This allowed people to have a cloth surplus, to sell more, to widen the availability of fashion. To increase free time, to have leisure, to increase the percolation of romantic love, to increase life spans and quality of life. It was not a zero sum game. Yes, some at the top earned a lot of money out of it. But it also created a powerful middle class based on knowledge and ability not peerage and land holdings.

    It also illustrated the perils of Luddites, protectionism and how patents both allowed a boom and also throttled innovation. The increased productivity was attacked by workers afraid of losing their jobs. Protectionism against cotton by wool special interests held back productivity. The first patents allowed inventors to earn money for their inventions, but each time the patents ran out there was a boom in productivity as more people gained access to the inventions at cheaper rates.
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    Okay then.
    I agree, capitalism has good parts, I still maintain that if socialism is a con then capitalism is a bigger con.
    I dont see any deciet in socialism that compares to the deception of capitalism: where the lower classes shore up the rich, even to thier own detriment, because they beleive one day they'll get rich themselves and enjoy the benefits, even though the chances of such are impossible save for miniscule amount who get lucky.
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    Capitalism and socialism are not either end of a scale. They can be mixed and optimized. It's just best to get through the rhetoric and see which benefits we can ransack from both.

    I'm a socialist first, taxes in Australia make it impossible not to be.
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    Thread Content: Idaho complains about Tories using emotive politics, thread title "why I hate Tories" still refuses to run for Office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Thread Content: Idaho complains about Tories using emotive politics, thread title "why I hate Tories" still refuses to run for Office.
    I don't even know where to begin with this. I tell you what, you put up the deposit, and I will run.
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