The Toeies.

[InsaneApache]

Ha ha ha ha oh my aching sides. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh. At this rate they'll be gone by the end of the decade. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

First the cast iron referendum, that we may or may not have in, say five years, if they get re-elected. (Unlikely)

Gay marriage and more claptrap when we have a meltdown in the economy.

Insulting voters as swivel eyed loons, racists, fruitcakes, clowns and gadflies.

Insulting your own party members as swivel eyed loons.

Promoting only the guys who went to your school and you play tennis with.

The only lunacy I can see is emanating from No10.

Piss of back to Bullingdon you chinless wonder 'Call me Dave'. We wont miss you. It takes some doing to be more hated by your own party than 'grocer' Heath but I think you may well have achieved it.

I'd weep but they would be tears of laughter.

[Greyblades]

Aww, but I like my toeies, they're the best parts of my footsies.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I look forward to UKIP replacing them completely in the next 10 years. They can become a throwback novelty party (lib dems) for the extreme elderly and historical re-enactors. The liberal-conservative factionalism is dying. I can forsee a UK that is politically dominated by progressive devolution libertarians at UKip and big government, Eurocentric status quo labour. It will take a while to settle in.

[Greyblades]

Of course you like Ukip, they're the tea party but they actually has a point to them. One point.

[Sir Moody]

don't be so sure ICSD - their current support is purely because of Europe, if the public knew what else they stand for most would back away from them - if we do leave Europe then their support will basically drop off a cliff...

[ICantSpellDawg]

don't be so sure ICSD - their current support is purely because of Europe, if the public knew what else they stand for most would back away from them - if we do leave Europe then their support will basically drop off a cliff...

But until that happens they will likely grow and influence. I can't imagine a world that, over the table and without any shadow maneuvering, gives up the hard fought right to govern itself. This goes as much for sovereign states as it does for sovereign individuals. Those days of rights sacrifice have to be over. Progress in the future is expanding rights and safeguarding them against Statism. This is the radical idea, that individuals have rights and can govern themselves with a minimal State as a servant, rather than as a master.

This is the new idea, this is not a conservative idea. The idea of state as benefactor or moral arbiter is the old idea and must be thrown into the dustbin.

[HoreTore]

The grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?

[Idaho]

Ukip are Tories.

Watching the tories meltdown over Europe is always entertaining.

[Beskar]

Gay marriage and more claptrap when we have a meltdown in the economy.

Yes, because talking about the economy forever will fix it. Any solution will take years for it to be fully implemented. It is a "make changes, then wait and see" game.
Also, Gay Marriage will boost the economy. Think of all those extra weddings! A new rise in the tailoring industry too to fix suits for women and dresses for men.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, because talking about the economy forever will fix it. Any solution will take years for it to be fully implemented. It is a "make changes, then wait and see" game.
Also, Gay Marriage will boost the economy. Think of all those extra weddings! A new rise in the tailoring industry too to fix suits for women and dresses for men.

Not really - there'll be a sudden upswing followed by numbers dropping off a cliff. Gay people are politically more-left leaning than straight people as a group (for historical reasons) so they're less likely to get married to begin with, and they don't have the imperative to marry for the children, or the same need to hook up and get busy to produce said children.

Then there will be the court cases, the accusations of religious people being "homophobes" which will cause them to further withdraw from society, which will hurt charities because religious people give more in time and material to religious charities than secular people give to secular ones.

Then there's the waste of time - which which might profitably have been spent finding the money to pay for more destroyers to be built in Northern Shipyards, or fixing the benefit system so that it works, or practically anything other than the pointless changing of a word of a contract.

[Greyblades]

So in other words we've wasted our time over something that shouldnt have been an issue.

90% of politics in a nutshell.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So in other words we've wasted our time over something that shouldnt have been an issue.

90% of politics in a nutshell.

Yes - but more so in this case.

Political capital has been spent here on all sides and acrimony has been fostered - that will make it harder to do something important - this is the AV referendum all over again.

[InsaneApache]

The absurdity of it all....



34 years later and you nippers wonder why I'm so cynical....

[Greyblades]

No we just wonder why you're for the ultra tories.

[InsaneApache]

Who are they and why do you think I am for them?