I mean, are they serious?
What happens when they go belly up and Der Fuher gets the shetlands?
Why Does Scotland Want To Be Independent?
I mean, are they serious?
What happens when they go belly up and Der Fuher gets the shetlands?
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Re: Why Does Scotland Want To Be Independent?
Der Fuher?
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They don't. Despite the image given from Mel Gibson.
They are an equal partner.
As it should be.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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what ?! when ?! really ?! ah! Damn British, i mean Great Britain only used Scotland for taxes and manpower for war & colonization.i hope Scottish people be free from the 350 years of colonization!!
Hope freedom & independence for Scotland & Kurdistan, thw two torned & colonized nation by the bloody hands of Great Britain!! but not the only ones!!
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we have yet to see if they really do want independence - right now opinion polls say they don't so...
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I thought it was the Scottish Crown that inherited the English one.
Independence is always sought even when it's not thought.
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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i think Great Britain is Deceiting the world, becuz they know the Scotts dont have anythin now to be independent and have Scotland for 350 years so the Scots abandoned resistance and lost hope, and the new generation doesnt care!!
yes !! you know, Great Britain is called OLD FOX now,
so why they dont do that in NORTH IRELAND ?!!!!! they wanted independence or scotland ???!!!
oh my god!! how much talented and expert at decieving is this Old FOX !!
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Good lord man, your first sentence wasn't even decipherable.
As for the irish they already have independence; it's called the Republic of Ireland, they want out they merely have to walk over the border.
Last edited by Greyblades; 05-26-2013 at 00:22.
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And what if Northern Ireland don't get independence? What do you suggest should happen then?
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Gah! What a mess this whole thing is. I am staunchly pro-Union, but I am not engaging with the national debate on this topic because I don't like what I am hearing from either side, and I reject all the language and axioms that their arguments rest upon. I also won't vote in the referendum.
There's no reason for things to go belly up. Depending on the outcome of the North Sea oil controversy, Scotland could actually be financially better off independent of England. If the outcome doesn't go Scotland's way, it would be a bit worse off. Not sure what you mean about Shetland, it wouldn't have a better claim to most of the oil than mainland Scotland - oil aside, I don't think anybody would notice if Shetland left.
Well in 1603 a Scottish monarch became King of England, but there never was a union of the crowns. For our purposes, the relevant date is 1707, when acts were passed by both the English and Scottish Parliaments, ultimately abolishing the latter.
Scotland has never been colonised by Great Britain (by which I guess you mean, England).
Do you know that a Union was first proposed by the Scots? They actually tried to force England to create a British state about 50 years before it actually happened (Cromwell's short-lived creation aside) - look at the 1643 Solemn League and Covenant the Scots signed with the English Parliament, and the 1648 Engagement they signed with Charles II.
The whole idea of a British identity originated in Scotland, and was consolidated by the plantation in Ulster. For hundreds of years people in Scotland and England saw themselves as British. That is why Scottish independence is wrong - carving up Britain would be like carving up Kurdistan!
Oh, and the Referendum is going to be on the 18th of September next year.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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It is because the Tories got in power and no one in Scotland likes the Tories (or UKIP).
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Well speaking for myself; I like scotland, I dont want to see it leave because I like being in a union with it and I feel we should be standing together against the world instead of fighting eachother.
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The Scots won't leave. Apart from being sensible, who are they going to blame when the English are no longer their overlords.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Um, in 1600AD (by which I guess you mean 1603), a Scottish king took over the English throne.
There was also no 'Scotland' in prehistory. The Kingdom of Scotland was created by settlers from modern day Northern Ireland who established Dalriada in western Scotland. From there, they conquered the rest.
My ethnicity is "White British" and Britain is my homeland. Do you know that the Scots language is a dialect of English? Not even a different language! Throughout history, only people in the Highlands and Islands spoke Gaelic. In fact, the English language is thought to have originated in southern Scotland!
Zionists and Freemasons?The Scots won't leave. Apart from being sensible, who are they going to blame when the English are no longer their overlords.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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Don't be so certain.The Scots won't leave. Apart from being sensible, who are they going to blame when the English are no longer their overlords.
And they can blame the English at least 50 years more - Croats are still blaming us and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future and we're still blaming the Turks.
Once you get into it, it''s great, and politicians tap into it momentarily. It totally absolves you of any responsibility.
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Because some Scots hate the English - for no good reason.
James VI of Scotland took over England.
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ok ok ok ok people, i know why you hate me, and som of you plz dont say you dont, you believe i must be as you like, think (Or told to think) as you , believe (or told to believe) like you ........
at all, YOU think someone is Rational or wise or good, that is someone to be like yourselves and you can not accept someone not in your limited circle that just and just wants to talk about things that, things MAY NOT be like you think!! like Muslims, your response Is only offense and insult!! i thank you!! you showed your thoughts and personalities to me!! now i must think otherwise to SO CALLED 1st World!! i thought i can find rational and understandable people, i thought i should discuss in here, not what you believe must be told!! again i was in mistake !! you cant discuss, but to attack to anyone you dont like or maybe told to dont like his ideas, you dont want to search for more wisdom and knowledge in this world, you just want to be in your limited but comfortable little mind circle.
at least my conscience is comfort, i have not insulted or offensed any of you despite you did to me !!
i now must lose hope to all humanity !! ok i hope the NEW WORLD ORDER at least fix this !!
so i will not discuss with ignorants and haters and nervous and mind & thought controlled people anymore !!
but again in your inverse, i wish God Bless us all, AND i wish best for all humans and Peace and Freedom(whether Nationality or Mind), for us all !!
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I'm a fairly easygoing person in RL, and being brought up as I've been, I've been taught to tolerate a wide range of political and religious views. However, brought up as I've been, I've also been taught to despise ignoramuses who seek to impose their ill-informed opinions on others, with the reminder to keep quiet and pay attention to wiser heads when I have nothing worthwhile to contribute. I guess you've never been taught this.
BTW, have you read up on who occupied whom in 1600 yet?
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Empire, I have never insulted you, and I was always open to hearing what you had to say.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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Its not that they hate you - its that you are completely misrepresenting the Historical facts to "score points"
the English did not "colonize" Scotland - the Scottish successfully kicked the English out several centuries before the act of Union - Scottish Independence from the Kingdom of England was gained during the second war of independence which ended in 1357 - the act of the union was in 1707.
Last edited by Sir Moody; 05-28-2013 at 16:47. Reason: complete fail on my historical knowledge...
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i know dear friend !! i alwayse appreciate your Tolerance & Understandablity !! i forgot to write, that despite many only know to hate and offense and attack, i have many friends especially in UK in here,and even non-friends that dont insult or offense to anyone just because he does not like his ideas !! cheer to you friend !!
bro, i did not read too much about scotland, as they never revolted or raised against colonization since after William Wallace, i thought Scotland is like Northern Ireland, so excuse me that i misunderstood, i dont say i am god like many think in here !!
i just said that the english crown is Deceiving , because the people that really demand to be free and independence is not SCOTLAND but the suppressed NORTH IRELAND !!
but they dont, they know Scottish people dont care to be independent and many see it not good, so they will Propaganda with "Hey we gaved the scots independence they didnt want-so we are a good government with democracy!!",but no one says those poor Irish people gaved lives & Martyrs to only to reach their independence & Freedom, why you dont give those rights to them ?!! you know, not just north ireland, the republic of ireland reached independence with giving many martyrs and many freedom fighters that were executed or jailed in english prison!! im surprised why those damned monarchs dont leave that little n.ireland !! maybe to show they dont bow to them?!!
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Not only are you ignorant about Scotland, you're even more ignorant about Northern Ireland, less forgiveable since it's recent history. England does not deny Northern Ireland its freedom. The British fought in Northern Ireland to maintain the position of letting Northern Ireland have whatever political status it wants. Whether Northern Ireland wants independence, or union with the UK or Ireland, is up to them, a position fought for by the British. If the NI assembly votes for any of these positions, the UK parliament will support its right to choose.
But rather than that, your good self would rather impose a freedom on Northern Ireland as defined by you, which is severance from England. Thus overriding the political wish of the Northern Irish people. I'd like to know where you're from, since democracy and self-determination appear to be alien concepts to you.
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Thank you.
But as for Northern Ireland, I must disagree with you. The conflict there has been between two communities that have both been there long before the United Kingdom came into existence. Generally speaking, Catholics want to be part of the Republic of Ireland, Protestants want to be part of the UK. Protestants have always been the majority, and this is why Northern Ireland did not join the Republic of Ireland when it gained independence.
You might be surprised to learn that the British government is not always sympathetic to the Protestants. For example, Winston Churchill, the WWII war criminal, was chased out of Belfast by a Protestant mob who were angry at his support for ceding Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic. He was actually sheltered by Catholics inside the football ground of Belfast Celtic, because the Protestant mob were ready to kill him!
As for executing Republican prisoners, that happened in the war that gave the Republic of Ireland its independence, but it never happened during the more recent conflict over Northern Ireland. The only prisoner to be executed by the British Government was in fact a Protestant and a unionist! And that happened just 16 years ago.
In saying all this I don't mean to imply that Catholics have not been persecuted - I am simply saying that the conflict is much more complicated than a case of 'freedom fighters' versus the imperialists.
Last edited by Rhyfelwyr; 05-28-2013 at 18:36.
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