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Stuff Cameron into a cannon and fertilize a lovely field with 'im, and even the Scottish will forget that Scotland exists.
Gawain never really got back into it after his brother was murdered (r/l)
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Always enjoyed debating with Gawain, was as hard headed as me just a hell of a lot smarter... always wondered what happened to him and absolutely gutted to find out that was the reason for it. Wasn't too bad at Total War either (I am guessing one or two of us actually played the games)
Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Edit: Not doubting you or claiming more knowledge, all I know of the guy came from the wiki article you linked, just curious.
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i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
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Us 1st worlders are just as bad for telling people how to live and what to believe we have just become clever enough to make it seem like it isn't so...
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Always enjoyed debating with Gawain, was as hard headed as me just a hell of a lot smarter... always wondered what happened to him and absolutely gutted to find out that was the reason for it. Wasn't too bad at Total War either (I am guessing one or two of us actually played the games)
Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Edit: Not doubting you or claiming more knowledge, all I know of the guy came from the wiki article you linked, just curious.
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i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
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Us 1st worlders are just as bad for telling people how to live and what to believe we have just become clever enough to make it seem like it isn't so...
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Gawain never really got back into it after his brother was murdered (r/l)
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He was online briefly after months of absence and explained why (though not it great detail). It was very saddening.Gawain never really got back into it after his brother was murdered (r/l)
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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
It's pretty much commonly accepted by people of all persuasions.Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Really? Must be another Northern Ireland and another Billy Wright. Only commonly accepted thing with most people I know, Catholic and Protestant, is the guy was complete scumbag and no loss to the world.
It's probably commonly accepted in Rhy's part of Scotland.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
It's probably commonly accepted in Rhy's part of Scotland.
I based what I said on what Northern Irish people have said to me. All Protestants to be fair, but from different parts of the spectrum. Granted, I don't know any that would identify as liberal or Alliance-types, but I think johnhughthom's circle must be pretty narrow to have that conclusion.It's probably commonly accepted in Rhy's part of Scotland.
Of course, that must be it Rhy, you must have a wider circle of acquiantances from Northern Ireland, despite my being born here, being brought up here and working here for most of my adult life. 
I'm not saying there wasn't government collusion, I'm just saying it's far from accepted amongst the circle of people I know (however big or small it may be).
I'm guessing you've spoken to a lot of people who describe Billy Wright as some sort of Loyalist hero? I was brought up in a Loyalist housing estate in what is a mainly middle class Protestant town (city now, apparently). For most of my youth there was little happened in the town, a few murders (including people I knew both murdering and being murdered) and some bombings, but generally the troubles almost seemed to be something that took place somewhere else. That changed for a while because of Billy Wright, there was a lot of violence, intimidation and tension around during the UVF/LVF feud, and it was the only time I was ever wary walking home at night and didn't feel completely safe in my community. A community that was never really troubled before Billy Wright decided he knew what was best for it.
But sure Rhy, you know best after speaking to a few people.
I'm not saying there wasn't government collusion, I'm just saying it's far from accepted amongst the circle of people I know (however big or small it may be).
I'm guessing you've spoken to a lot of people who describe Billy Wright as some sort of Loyalist hero? I was brought up in a Loyalist housing estate in what is a mainly middle class Protestant town (city now, apparently). For most of my youth there was little happened in the town, a few murders (including people I knew both murdering and being murdered) and some bombings, but generally the troubles almost seemed to be something that took place somewhere else. That changed for a while because of Billy Wright, there was a lot of violence, intimidation and tension around during the UVF/LVF feud, and it was the only time I was ever wary walking home at night and didn't feel completely safe in my community. A community that was never really troubled before Billy Wright decided he knew what was best for it.
But sure Rhy, you know best after speaking to a few people.
Originally Posted by johnhughthom:
Really? Must be another Northern Ireland and another Billy Wright. Only commonly accepted thing with most people I know, Catholic and Protestant, is the guy was complete scumbag and no loss to the world.
He made enemies on both sides so its not a surprise that he was topped in prison at all at all, six months after his death an the LVF called a ceasefire.Really? Must be another Northern Ireland and another Billy Wright. Only commonly accepted thing with most people I know, Catholic and Protestant, is the guy was complete scumbag and no loss to the world.
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Edit: Not doubting you or claiming more knowledge, all I know of the guy came from the wiki article you linked, just curious.
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i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
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Us 1st worlders are just as bad for telling people how to live and what to believe we have just become clever enough to make it seem like it isn't so...
yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Edit: Not doubting you or claiming more knowledge, all I know of the guy came from the wiki article you linked, just curious.
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i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
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Us 1st worlders are just as bad for telling people how to live and what to believe we have just become clever enough to make it seem like it isn't so...
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
Originally Posted by Aram of Mada:
yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
It must be very well hidden for the history books to say that the English invited the Scottish king to rule over them circa 1600 AD when in fact (as you have enlightened us) it was the English who occupied Scotland around that time. Damn the English Crown and their hiding of crimes and colonisations! Kurdistan 4eva!!!!!!!yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
Originally Posted by Pannonian:
It must be very well hidden for the history books to say that the English invited the Scottish king to rule over them circa 1600 AD when in fact (as you have enlightened us) it was the English who occupied Scotland around that time. Damn the English Crown and their hiding of crimes and colonisations! Kurdistan 4eva!!!!!!!
I could apply this for a man - woman relationship. Have the girlfriend take over my house and my bank account. Then she will stay.It must be very well hidden for the history books to say that the English invited the Scottish king to rule over them circa 1600 AD when in fact (as you have enlightened us) it was the English who occupied Scotland around that time. Damn the English Crown and their hiding of crimes and colonisations! Kurdistan 4eva!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan:
I could apply this for a man - woman relationship. Have the girlfriend take over my house and my bank account. Then she will stay.
To use your analogy, a Scottish lass was in charge of the house as recently as 2010, and she'd been in charge of the bank account since 1997. And she still whines about exploitation and wants to break up.I could apply this for a man - woman relationship. Have the girlfriend take over my house and my bank account. Then she will stay.
Originally Posted by Pannonian:
To use your analogy, a Scottish lass was in charge of the house as recently as 2010, and she'd been in charge of the bank account since 1997. And she still whines about exploitation and wants to break up.
Is this not normal or something?To use your analogy, a Scottish lass was in charge of the house as recently as 2010, and she'd been in charge of the bank account since 1997. And she still whines about exploitation and wants to break up.
Originally Posted by Aram of Mada:
yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
I suggest you have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
Awesome Scottish King takes over England - English rejoice (except Roman Catholics who try to kill him.)
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
I suggest you have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
Awesome Scottish King takes over England - English rejoice (except Roman Catholics who try to kill him.)
To be fair the roman catholics had been trying to kill every King of England since a certain Henry.I suggest you have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
Awesome Scottish King takes over England - English rejoice (except Roman Catholics who try to kill him.)
Oh come now, by the time we get to the Georgian "talk to the trees" dynasty, the "you're a prod we must kill you" bit was pretty well in the dust bin. The House of Windsor doesn't spend time dodging Jesuit wetwork teams.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Oh come now, by the time we get to the Georgian "talk to the trees" dynasty, the "you're a prod we must kill you" bit was pretty well in the dust bin. The House of Windsor doesn't spend time dodging Jesuit wetwork teams.
That's just what you want us to think!Oh come now, by the time we get to the Georgian "talk to the trees" dynasty, the "you're a prod we must kill you" bit was pretty well in the dust bin. The House of Windsor doesn't spend time dodging Jesuit wetwork teams.
Someone hold the Papist down while I set fire to his feet.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
To be fair the roman catholics had been trying to kill every King of England since a certain Henry.
Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.To be fair the roman catholics had been trying to kill every King of England since a certain Henry.
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.
If you say so, though the famine I see as more the responsability of landowners and the nobility than the monarch.Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.
It's not that you can't blame the King - but you have to blame the Irish Lords planting all those potatoes too.Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.
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