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    Primarily a peaceful demonstration to stop the demolishing of "Gezi Parkı" -a tiny park that connects to the infamous Taksim Square that was to be replaced with a mall after its destruction- turned into a fierceful chain of events following the undiscriminated, overpowered, violently inproportionate handling from the police.

    The mainstream Turkish media is almost silent, only because of the fear of their bosses from Recep Tayyip Erdogan (RTE), only a few not-so-much-popular independent and opposite media are giving live feeds from the massive uprising happening around Taksim right now, into its 20th hour now.

    There are casualties -an Egyptian woman hit in the head with gas canister, another Turkish citizen of Palestinian origin under intensive care following his head hemorrhage surgery, Aylin trampled under a TOMA, there are unconfirmed acts of undiluted violence of people with losing their limbs and so on.

    It went so far as that neighboring military foundations have been helping the protestors with first aid kits and gas masks while some of them have come into clash with police.

    Meanwhile, CNN Intl., Al Jazeera, several Norwegian, Danish channels as well as Reuters are connecting Taksim to the world -Taksim, a place maybe the most exposable to widespread attention under normal circumstances, which are non-existent following the expected authoritarian management of RTE and his ruling party.

    To whomever still thinks Turkey "progressed" in last 10 years:

    UP YOUR ARSES.

    WE'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH OPPRESSION IN OUR LIFETIMES. YEAH, EVEN YOUR COMMONLY-HATEFUL-FOR-YEARS MILITARY-BASED REGIME DID NOT GO THIS FAR.

    SCREW YOUR MALLS, SOVIET-LIKE BLOCKS OF FABRICATED LIFESTYLES, HIGHWAYS AND S*IT.

    WE WANT FREEDOM. TO DRINK, WANDER, F*CK AND SPEAK AS WE LIKE.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94U0J920130531

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...443894367.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/31/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1


    Shall this be a sparkle to the wildfire to burn down the agressively capitalist, USA-Israel-politics oriented mindless government the people have been deceived by being able to sink into debt freely -nothing else.

    Oh no, I'm not buying yet another "even this connects to USA :/ ?" reaction. News have whoever are in hands with each other in shaping Middle East -as if we ever asked for it. Role models are easy to spot.

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    So this is discontent with an Islamist government and a desire for the secular alternative? If so, I guess in some ways this would make what is happening in Turkey the opposite for the various other Middle Eastern Springs.

    What authoritarian measures have they been putting in place?
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    Obviously gun launched tear gas is unacceptable at a peaceful protest. I don't know who these people think they are to do that to innocent people anywhere in the world. How could a random traumatic brain injury have anything to do with justice?

    Personally, I like Erdogan and AK, but if they had any part in this or in media suppression, they should be ashamed of themselves. There is always more work to do. Turkey is one of my top 3 favorite countries, I hope that they pull there head out with this banana republic mentality that they should have shed 20 years ago.
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    RIP lady, I hope they get the guy who did that

    Edit, I heard the army is handing out gasmasks to protesters, what is happening here LEN? Did Ordugan piss the army off too much?
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    Ouch!

    I hope you are safe and sound. I thought the democratic process was supposed to make all this impossible; looks like theory needs a huge revision
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    i dont think it has connections with the Kurds does it ??!

    but giving SPRING to this little revolt is exaggerating !!
    any way i Hope whatever it be, free the Kurds from Turkish made Poverty and Oppression to !!

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    Turkey is weird, after hours of talking with a Turkish friend (not about this) I was even more confused.

    'That makes no sense at all!'

    'Well yeah it doesn't'

    It's interesting that they call it occupie, that's a rather western term. This may actually be good. Go Turks hadi hadi
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    why confused exactly ?
    but for this matter, i dont think be that serious !
    but anything comes for the Turks, will be against Kurds !! and ********** !!!! (Censored) !


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    Go Turks hadi hadi

    Damn that was Funny !!! how do you know that word !!
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    Relationship between the military and the government, I don't understand who's really in charge.

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    Turkey is led by Military !! at it was from 1921 ! and did too many massacres and forcible migrations to Kurds & Armenians & Assyrians.

    i almost forgot: its weired interesting that a little revolt is broadcasting in media, but the 90 years of killings, or at least 22 years and still going-on, of killing the Kurdish civilians In streets and Jailing Kurdish Jurnalists & Activtists,(That now Turkey has the second place in the world of jailing Jurnalists) will not be shown in any media and news channel!! and the belgium government is ordered by Germany to attack & close a Kurdish Channel!! The Danish Too BANed another!! the Silence of EU about Terrors of Three Kurdish Peace Activitists in Paris !!
    Does not this means a connection between Turkish government with EU & USA and Nato to censor the news and block some news to be broadcasted?!
    ah, thanks EU & USA for your support of tyranny Dictatorship and Racism!
    now that PKK has gone from turkey by the order of our Leader Abdulah Ujalan, to resolve the Kurdish issue and tell that they are not Terrorists, what can you do again ?!
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    This is a thread about a strong protest of its own kind where people of every ethnicity, religion, ages and ideals or those with none at all are flocking to Istanbul, and if they can't they gather in their hometowns.

    So please drag your personal agendas elsewhere.

    I've checked all Turkish TV channels a few minutes before and it's all your "ordinary Sunday" while the protests are getting stronger reinforced with people from other cities whereas police forces are rumoured to have called for an extra 10.000 to "manage" the incidents. Social and international media are the only windows opening to the outside world right now. We've read news of certain police forces from other cities refusing to reinforce their "colleagues" in Istanbul and those that have quit their jobs.

    The undercover cops are told to be smashing ATMs and damaging mass transportation vehicles so as to later condemn the protests and justify the rageful conduct of the police.

    If you still like Erdogan and AKP, sorry but you and I have distances as I am a Turkish citizen living in this almost-hellhole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine View Post
    This is a thread about a strong protest of its own kind where people of every ethnicity, religion, ages and ideals or those with none at all are flocking to Istanbul, and if they can't they gather in their hometowns.

    So please drag your personal agendas elsewhere.

    I've checked all Turkish TV channels a few minutes before and it's all your "ordinary Sunday" while the protests are getting stronger reinforced with people from other cities whereas police forces are rumoured to have called for an extra 10.000 to "manage" the incidents. Social and international media are the only windows opening to the outside world right now. We've read news of certain police forces from other cities refusing to reinforce their "colleagues" in Istanbul and those that have quit their jobs.

    The undercover cops are told to be smashing ATMs and damaging mass transportation vehicles so as to later condemn the protests and justify the rageful conduct of the police.

    If you still like Erdogan and AKP, sorry but you and I have distances as I am a Turkish citizen living in this almost-hellhole.
    Surely this is not all new, though. The Turkish Republic has always had a problem balancing liberty with a perceived need to enforce fraternity. Previously, that was aggressively enforced Secularism, now it appears the current government is enforcing Cronyism with an Islamic twist.

    Which is obviously worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine View Post
    This is a thread about a strong protest of its own kind where people of every ethnicity, religion, ages and ideals or those with none at all are flocking to Istanbul, and if they can't they gather in their hometowns.

    So please drag your personal agendas elsewhere.

    I've checked all Turkish TV channels a few minutes before and it's all your "ordinary Sunday" while the protests are getting stronger reinforced with people from other cities whereas police forces are rumoured to have called for an extra 10.000 to "manage" the incidents. Social and international media are the only windows opening to the outside world right now. We've read news of certain police forces from other cities refusing to reinforce their "colleagues" in Istanbul and those that have quit their jobs.

    The undercover cops are told to be smashing ATMs and damaging mass transportation vehicles so as to later condemn the protests and justify the rageful conduct of the police.

    If you still like Erdogan and AKP, sorry but you and I have distances as I am a Turkish citizen living in this almost-hellhole.
    i think it had relevance with your say about your racist Government !! it shows how much oppressor and Dictator & killer & Racist is your government!

    and, really is that serious ?!! i mean people want reform or Government Change due to their peaceful demonstration oppressed & Suppressed ?! and will it spread to other regions, not just Istanbul?! really at last Turks have been sapientialed?! (sorry for bad english!)

    and the matter of UNDERCOVER POLICE, EXACTLY LIKE 2009 REVOLT IN IRAN after elections, they have learned from Iranian regime's anti-revolt Police, where they smashed cars & public proprietors, and later then, they said it was from a little INSURGENCY (People!!) to legalize & Justify their suppression and crimes!! LOL !! dictators have many in common!

    anyway, if any REAL peace movement is headed, it must be supported, as i do. but i doubt, Turkey is USA's strong ally, and USA will do anything at all cost not to lose it. so this is transient i think, as it was the Wall-Street Movement because of suppressions. you know, IMPERIALISM !
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine View Post
    This is a thread about a strong protest of its own kind where people of every ethnicity, religion, ages and ideals or those with none at all are flocking to Istanbul, and if they can't they gather in their hometowns.

    So please drag your personal agendas elsewhere.

    I've checked all Turkish TV channels a few minutes before and it's all your "ordinary Sunday" while the protests are getting stronger reinforced with people from other cities whereas police forces are rumoured to have called for an extra 10.000 to "manage" the incidents. Social and international media are the only windows opening to the outside world right now. We've read news of certain police forces from other cities refusing to reinforce their "colleagues" in Istanbul and those that have quit their jobs.

    The undercover cops are told to be smashing ATMs and damaging mass transportation vehicles so as to later condemn the protests and justify the rageful conduct of the police.

    If you still like Erdogan and AKP, sorry but you and I have distances as I am a Turkish citizen living in this almost-hellhole.
    Media brainwashing isn't fun, is it? I'm against that stuff in Turkey, where it is obviously worse, just like I'm against it here.

    Media tends to report narrative, not news. If the narrative of liberal development is threatened, media decides how to ignore news to stay on message. Narrative is the enemy of news. Broadcast news is government/power propaganda and entertainment everywhere you go. Every moment that you spend watching it you are demolishing your understanding of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aram of Mada View Post
    Does not this means a connection between Turkish government with EU & USA and Nato to censor the news and block some news to be broadcasted?!
    No. A lot of the real reasons you mention are why Turkey has not been allowed into the EU yet and some of them are mentioned by our politicians whenever the issue comes up. There's no need to make any conspiracies up. Please show me the censorship, I have quickly found some links that show there is none:
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-903192.html
    http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...d_1003156.html
    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/a...-12203940.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22739423

    It's also on the radio today and that Turkey is the country with the most locked up journalists was also in one of LEN's various links.
    Should be pretty obvious that there is no censoring going on.

    And LEN, good luck with that. A sensibly democratic Turkey would be nice to see.


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    wait... did that guys posts get deleted by the admins? or did he do that himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    wait... did that guys posts get deleted by the admins? or did he do that himself?
    I was wondering that as well.
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    Turkish government needs a reminder that they are supposed to stick with Ataturk's principles. Deviation from those principles is bad for the republic.
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    Protests have hit the peak while Erdogan still insists that "it is a malpractice of the main opposition party and that there are illegal organizations provocating the scene and THAT the mall would be built there no matter what".

    Your typical dictator has spoken. This is the guy that called for Mobarak's, Gaddafi's and his latest nemesis Assad's downfall just because that "they do not listen to their nation's voices".

    Al Jazeera has started to conduct interviews with the protestors and if you're looking for some truth, it is bound to be ugly.

    The police was told to retreat at some certain point, after which the crowd filled in and that's when the police started salvos of tear gas and even agent orange (not confirmed yet) upon people. In what kind of democracy does the police plan to trap flagless, party-free, ideology-free, belief-free demonstration and drown them in chemical fumes ?

    RTE may be an influential persona of the last decades however so were Hitler, Mussolini and Bush for their times.

    The protests have spread to a lot of cities and in Ankara, it's getting worse by now.

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    ideology-free, belief-free
    such people do not exist... it is a myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    such people do not exist... it is a myth.
    Your statement does not still change the fact that people who:

    are faithful Muslims who regularly pray for 5 times a day

    are atheists to the bone

    are fans of Galatasaray (champions)

    are fans of Fenerbahçe (have a fan killed after the match against GS 2 weeks ago)

    are liberals

    are communists

    are photographers only who were always apolitical

    are die-hard Kemalists

    travelled from hundreds of kilometres from other cities

    have been fighting under a omnipotent cloud of pepper and orange gas for almost 2 days now. That's the spirit of it and that's all that matters.

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    I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Turkish government needs a reminder that they are supposed to stick with Ataturk's principles. Deviation from those principles is bad for the republic.
    Uhm, I'm not too sure that would be a good idea. We're talking principles from an era in which a totalitarian (at least nominally) secular centre - right regime was considered a civilised and perfectly kosher approach to government.

    That aside, the issue is deeper: as far as I am aware the Erdogan admin still has a significant support among Turkey simply for being the guys who made "religion" in politics more accepted and mainstream. So they can still count on a significant share of the conservative vote. That is not because Erdogan is necessarily a proper humble and honest Allah-fearing, law-abiding, 5-times-a-day worshiper of the faith; it is because religion has been repressed for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.
    Violence is the refugee of those best supported.

    Logistics and communications are probably key right now not firearms.

    I do remember the riots in Indonesia 14 years ago when it was Uni students vs paramilitary police. The police where laying into the students with brute force then the marines turned up. The marines intervened and went straight at the police. Turns out with conscripted service that the marines are mainly graduates and have lot of friends who still are students.

    I hope this goes more like a Fijian coup if it does come to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.
    That's why I am kinda curious if it's true the army-folks are handing out gasmasks to protesters. As I understand it Erdogan has been dismantling the power of the supposedly fiercely secular army that is like a sword of Damocles for any government. It's also interesting the protestors call themselves an occupy-movement. It sure looks different from the lol@arabspring. What failed in Iran might just work in Turkey, I bet they are kinda nervous in Teheran right now.

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    So, finally, the Arab Spring was not Arab, but just a fight for democracy, as all Lefties, true to Marxist analyse, were saying. It is against nepotism, even painted under the Religions.
    And like in South America and in the Magreb, it started for nothing political, but a peaceful demonstration against a very trivial every day life problem and sparked the fire of possibly a Revolution.
    "As dark that night might be, light never goes off and so small is the ember, it sets fire to the plain." J.L. Mélenchon, Leader of the Front de Gauche in France.

    Demonstrations as well in Spain, Portugal, Greece, France and Germany against the "Troika" (E.U., I.F.M., E.C.B.). I would say massive, but to be fair, I don't know how many were demonstrating in Frankfurt.
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    the next is KURDISH Spring !!

    but this spring, does not bring Islamic fundamentalism !! but Freedom and Independence from Tyranny, oppression, hatred, Genocide,.......& Racism !!

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    lolololol @ quality media

    They have removed it by now but it sits firmly in the cache, it's in Dutch but the ministry of truth knows, for a fact, that it aren't riots but festivities. And people wonder why I don't read quality newspapers or watch state-tv

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