Turkish Spring ?

**HopAlongBunny** · 06-01-2013, 18:33

I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.

**Papewaio** · 06-01-2013, 23:47

Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny

I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.

Violence is the refugee of those best supported.

Logistics and communications are probably key right now not firearms.

I do remember the riots in Indonesia 14 years ago when it was Uni students vs paramilitary police. The police where laying into the students with brute force then the marines turned up. The marines intervened and went straight at the police. Turns out with conscripted service that the marines are mainly graduates and have lot of friends who still are students.

I hope this goes more like a Fijian coup if it does come to that.

**Fragony** · 06-02-2013, 06:36

Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny

I hope all goes well. Unfortunately, violence is the refuge of those best armed.

That's why I am kinda curious if it's true the army-folks are handing out gasmasks to protesters. As I understand it Erdogan has been dismantling the power of the supposedly fiercely secular army that is like a sword of Damocles for any government. It's also interesting the protestors call themselves an occupy-movement. It sure looks different from the lol@arabspring. What failed in Iran might just work in Turkey, I bet they are kinda nervous in Teheran right now.

**Brenus** · 06-02-2013, 09:11

So, finally, the Arab Spring was not Arab, but just a fight for democracy, as all Lefties, true to Marxist analyse, were saying. It is against nepotism, even painted under the Religions.
And like in South America and in the Magreb, it started for nothing political, but a peaceful demonstration against a very trivial every day life problem and sparked the fire of possibly a Revolution.
"As dark that night might be, light never goes off and so small is the ember, it sets fire to the plain." J.L. Mélenchon, Leader of the Front de Gauche in France.

Demonstrations as well in Spain, Portugal, Greece, France and Germany against the "Troika" (E.U., I.F.M., E.C.B.). I would say massive, but to be fair, I don't know how many were demonstrating in Frankfurt.

**Empire*Of*Media** · 06-02-2013, 09:22

the next is KURDISH Spring !!

but this spring, does not bring Islamic fundamentalism !! but Freedom and Independence from Tyranny, oppression, hatred, Genocide,.......& Racism !!

**Fragony** · 06-02-2013, 11:42

lolololol @ quality media

They have removed it by now but it sits firmly in the cache, it's in Dutch but the ministry of truth knows, for a fact, that it aren't riots but festivities. And people wonder why I don't read quality newspapers or watch state-tv

https://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3293...juni2013tu.jpg < is in Dutch so it's of no use to you if you don't speak it

**Fragony** · 06-02-2013, 12:05

That's cute, total freak Erdogan promises a million counter-protesters can be rallied. This is getting really interesting. LEN & Mouz stay in your appartment or I am going to call your moms and tell her you are idiots.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 06-02-2013, 13:18

I know that the protests are widespread now, but there have already been apologies and a recognition that the violence of the police needs to be investigated. More devolution of zoning authority would probably be a good solution. Calls for government abdication are absurd at this point.

Injuries over mass mobilization are unacceptable and the police need to be held accountable. Also, media ties with government need to be broken. Let's see if any changes can be made here.