Turkish Spring ?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Nigel Farage in some aspects is correct, he knows where a lot of the weaknesses are within the EU. However, he is also part of the club which would oppose European reform due to how it would affect the balance of power, and actively voices just to leave. For the negatives of the European Union, there are quite a number of very strong positives. I believe Reform can happen within the Union to address and fix the issues, opposed to jumping ship at the merest sight of an Iceberg.

It has taken 20 years to reform the Common Fisheries policy to prevent the extinction of North Sea Cod. This is the fault of Mediterranean Countries, who are already fished out, refusing to give ground. The CAP still requires reform.

In addition to the vested interests, you have the EU technocrats who demand "Ever Deeper Union" - the Myth that the single currency is a permanent and irrevocable development is a case in point - that statement runs counter to economic sense and historical fact. The abject refusal to EVER rescind a treaty provision or disband an agency have resulted in decades of trying to paper over structural problems - instead of abolishing institutions and replacing them (as happens at a national level) the EU attempts to deal with structural problems by adding another layer of control.

Farage is fundamental correct - the EU cannot be reformed, because it refuses to be reformed.

[Montmorency]

Farage is fundamental correct - the EU cannot be reformed, because it refuses to be reformed.

The EU can not be dismantled, because it refuses to dismantle itself.

[Sarmatian]

Farage is fundamental correct - the EU cannot be reformed, because it refuses to be reformed.

This is pure bollox, but we should probably continue this line of discussion in the appropriate thread.

[Brenus]

“Farage is fundamental correct”: The man so patriotic that he opened a bank account in a Fiscal Paradise to avoid paying taxes to the Country he loves so much?
Like Le Pen in France (who opened a Swiss Bank Account few years ago), these so call patriots just love themselves and are the good faithful dog guards of the capitalist system. They come when needed and thanks to the media they rescue the Bi-party system (parties that have the same policies, just names change) that gave the crowd the illusion of choice. Because it is becoming more and more obvious, most of the voters don’t go to vote any more.
That is the opened door to more unrest, violence and confrontation when the need and voices of the population are ignored for the sake of saving the privileges of the few at the top.
It is like a C4 charge. Stable until the detonator ignites the charge. The problem is no body know what will be the spark: trees cutting like in Turkey, suicide by fire like in Tunisia, price of bus tickets like in Portugal?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

“Farage is fundamental correct”: The man so patriotic that he opened a bank account in a Fiscal Paradise to avoid paying taxes to the Country he loves so much?
Like Le Pen in France (who opened a Swiss Bank Account few years ago), these so call patriots just love themselves and are the good faithful dog guards of the capitalist system. They come when needed and thanks to the media they rescue the Bi-party system (parties that have the same policies, just names change) that gave the crowd the illusion of choice. Because it is becoming more and more obvious, most of the voters don’t go to vote any more.
That is the opened door to more unrest, violence and confrontation when the need and voices of the population are ignored for the sake of saving the privileges of the few at the top.
It is like a C4 charge. Stable until the detonator ignites the charge. The problem is no body know what will be the spark: trees cutting like in Turkey, suicide by fire like in Tunisia, price of bus tickets like in Portugal?

I've said before that I don't think UKIP should be allowed into Office.

That doesn't make Farage's analysis of the problem wrong.

Your argument is an ad hominem, which is usually deployed when a debator cannot attack the Point and so attacks the Man.

[Brenus]

“Your argument is an ad hominem, which is usually deployed when a debator cannot attack the Point and so attacks the Man.” Oh. So when somebody says something and does something else, you consider he’s got a point. I consider that his actions talk for him, so, in this case prove him wrong. Dishonesty can’t be a legitimate basis for political point.
By the way, don’t use tactic you give the impression to denounce
Now, for the EU, Farage is wrong, so he doesn’t have a point. Like all institutions it can be change. I am part of the few countries that voted against the European Constitution and then it was imposed by my government. So, EU can change. For the worst for now, but it did change.

[HopAlongBunny]

Protest continues:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...756523394.html

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

“Your argument is an ad hominem, which is usually deployed when a debator cannot attack the Point and so attacks the Man.” Oh. So when somebody says something and does something else, you consider he’s got a point. I consider that his actions talk for him, so, in this case prove him wrong. Dishonesty can’t be a legitimate basis for political point.
By the way, don’t use tactic you give the impression to denounce
Now, for the EU, Farage is wrong, so he doesn’t have a point. Like all institutions it can be change. I am part of the few countries that voted against the European Constitution and then it was imposed by my government. So, EU can change. For the worst for now, but it did change.

I was talking about the structure of the EU - not domestic taxes. Ergo, Farage's tax avoidance is irrelevant and an ad hominem.

Farage has been consistently ahead of the curve in predicting the collapse of the peripheral EU economies, his sequence of events and times have been spookily accurate. Either he understands the flaws in the EU economic arrangement - or he's orchestrating the collapse.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Either he understands the flaws in the EU economic arrangement - or he's orchestrating the collapse.

He might not be personally orchestrating the collapse, but his sort of behaviour has contributed to the crisis. The Bankers of course did their bit, but in the Southern European countries, a big part of their problem has been people dodging taxes.