Amazon: Total War 8.0 Release

[parthian shot]

Thank You! Hon

I will check with Granto to find out.

[Balgeron]

Hello, i being playing some more and i am pretty sure that Far East Celts are totally broken.

The faction two units are ridicules, i think i being writing about this before - but here goes.

You fixed the War Wagons (the house-chariot, which is now weaker and can be beaten by spearmen, but it still has too low upkeep, it should be at least 100 or more. That its someone house doesn't change the expenses needed for it), but the other one - i think its called Battle Wagon, or Battle Chariot, i am not sure - this unit is completely retarded. Some of the new units has too high armor/defense compare to already existing ones, but this is something - it got like 50+ armor, while being an open chariot with lightly armed girls. Why is that please?

When similar units got it very low, even of Amazon factions - i think chariots got defense 1 or something low, meaning that they can be beaten with archers, and are more hit and run unit. But this thing is totally retarded.

The other unit i think you know - the Linked Armor-Clad Cavalery - this unit needs some serious nerfing. Now you gave it a great looking new model, with iron spears up front, but it doesn't change fact that its invulnerable to everything bar the Longbow Horse Archers. The unit cannot be killed on battlefield, even with the strongest spearmen (those super expensive girls with scythes, that cost 1500,takes 2 turn to build and got 430 upkeep! - compare to the LACC that cost i think around 700 and got upkeep 120, while also being much lower tier).

Everything just gets slaughtered - so i would propose to make this unit vulnerable to the thing it was vulnerable in reality - i don't know HOW, but Huns owned Far East Celts, and Huns got only 1 thing going - Horse Archers. So the normal arrows (from basic archers, not the heavy attach of Longbow Horse Archers) should be enough to put this thing down and would make most sense, as the LACC destroys everything in melee - so you should remove their invulnerability to arrows.

This also breaks the campaign mode, as no other faction can face Far East Celts - for instance, most factions are quite even - though Armens(Love the battle towers!) and Iberia (wow!) now have some upper hand.

The campaign with them can go either way - Geothe, Suebi, Western Celts, SPQR, Th..something Amazons, Saramites, Thyssa Amazons, Dacia, Selecusya, Egypt, Macedonians, Lybian Amazons - this factions are the best and most balanced.

Factions that still need help are definitely Parthia (who always gets owned) and Carthage (that get hit by Lybian Amazons straight off the start). Scythians and Averni too - they are too weak, and could use some special units. Doesn't have to be amazons. Also Greeks are somewhat meh.

And other factions needs also some more naval power as well. Incidentary Catapult Trimes destroys everything.

Besides this, you are making a great improvements and this is definitely best mod for any Total War game that has being made so far, and definitely one of the best i ever played.

[parthian shot]

Thank You, Balgeron,

For your lively and forthright comments as well as your words of encouragement.

On the Household Wagons,

A great deal of study actually have been given to come up with the current upkeep of the unit.
The premise is that a group of pasture following people are being given a Lord's decree to own pastoral lands in a region. They would move from pasture to pasture on the wagons. In exchange for the land, their military service is mandatory but of the upkeep of the vehicle is their own responsibility, the weapons and munitions, are also their own obligation.

On the Battle Wagon,
The horse team and the wagons are armored and the chassis is made of stout frame and protected "parasol" cover. The crew is not lightly armored, at the least on the upper torso.

On the Linked Armor Clad Cavalry,
The effect is to simulate wide charging formation. And it is not invincible at all.

In the Amazons Total War, there are multiple layers of unit hierarchy

Level 1: Entry level infantry and cavalry
Level 2: Armored infantry and cavalry
Level 3: Super heavy cavalry (elephant)
Level 4: Household wagons, light tank
Level 5: Battle Wagon, heavy tank
Level 6: Linked Armor Clad Cavalry, simulating panzer divisions
Level 7: anti tank incendiary units and area denial weapons
Level 8: anti-tank incendiary artillery.

Each higher level in hierarchy represents a higher dimension of warfare. What you have experienced are battles fought with out-matched level of hierarchy. In other words, when the units are outclassed, the battle can be fairly one sided.
There is no plan to make the Linked Armor Clad Cavalry any weaker, because the player needs to fight such force with higher level units in the unit hierarchy.

You might also have noticed when the AI plays the Far East Celt, there are special balance monitor in place, so Far East Celt never should venture out of its home base to gain too many regions. This also makes the game of world domination very interesting, because the last region can also be the most difficult region.

On Parthia,
Not sure how to make it more playable. But it has been noted before. If you have any ideas, please feel free to share.

On Carthage,
If the AI plays Carthage, it is just another plain faction. However, if the human plays Carthage, the faction can seek out and fulfill the quest. Celeste and I are working on a new script that will allow a reminder to the player that the Player's faction (vs. AI faction) have not achieved the Quest yet. Once Human played Carthage achieved the Quest, the situation will be reversed in North Africa.

On Scythia and Avernii,
They are not really playable factions.

On Incendiary Trireme,
There should not be a match to the Incendiary Trireme. It is basically a navy with long range howitzer artillery on medium built warships.

[Balgeron]

The Far East Celts definitely don't stay at home. In game i playing, they overrun Selecusia(wiped them out completely), made protectorate from Thyssa and now we are fighting for Egypt(wiped by me by part and them by part) and western Selecusia (i play Lybian Amazons).

And even if the unit is so powerful, the thing is that its so easy to make. I don't know now the exact tech tree for Far East Celts, but Linked Armor Clad Cavalery and Battle Wagons should definitely require more then just blacksmith (last time i think they needed just that) - i would think something like the Library/scriptorium equivalent, i don't know now if the barbarians factions have that even though.

I really don't know much about Parthia, sorry - shouldn't they be the one of have Hassassins? (the assassin warriors that were in Medieval total war or Assassin Creed, they were like Fremen from Dune there - with stealth and such).

[Wheeliepaul]

The Far East Celts definitely don't stay at home. In game i playing, they overrun Selecusia(wiped them out completely), made protectorate from Thyssa and now we are fighting for Egypt(wiped by me by part and them by part) and western Selecusia (i play Lybian Amazons).

And even if the unit is so powerful, the thing is that its so easy to make. I don't know now the exact tech tree for Far East Celts, but Linked Armor Clad Cavalery and Battle Wagons should definitely require more then just blacksmith (last time i think they needed just that) - i would think something like the Library/scriptorium equivalent, i don't know now if the barbarians factions have that even though.

I really don't know much about Parthia, sorry - shouldn't they be the one of have Hassassins? (the assassin warriors that were in Medieval total war or Assassin Creed, they were like Fremen from Dune there - with stealth and such).

Which version of the game do you play? Normally the far east celts don't spread that much. Did you play the anti-imperial campaign or a quest campaign?
Do you always start the game in the questmode when you start playing?

How to beat the Linked Armor Clad Cavalry: shooting fire arrows on them makes them running amok so they kill their own units

[parthian shot]

The Far East Celts definitely don't stay at home. In game i playing, they overrun Selecusia(wiped them out completely), made protectorate from Thyssa and now we are fighting for Egypt(wiped by me by part and them by part) and western Selecusia (i play Lybian Amazons).

And even if the unit is so powerful, the thing is that its so easy to make. I don't know now the exact tech tree for Far East Celts, but Linked Armor Clad Cavalery and Battle Wagons should definitely require more then just blacksmith (last time i think they needed just that) - i would think something like the Library/scriptorium equivalent, i don't know now if the barbarians factions have that even though.

I really don't know much about Parthia, sorry - shouldn't they be the one of have Hassassins? (the assassin warriors that were in Medieval total war or Assassin Creed, they were like Fremen from Dune there - with stealth and such).

The assassin is a great idea! Even though t the Man of the Mountain is about 1,000 years later, it might be interesting to see if there is a historical precedence.

The stealthiness on the battlefield has already been used a great deal by the Amazons so would be redundant.

[Wheeliepaul]

new unit cards

[parthian shot]

Beautiful Work! Paul

Is there any more battle/recruitment tiles at 48x63?

Thanks

[Wheeliepaul]

The Far East Celts definitely don't stay at home. In game i playing, they overrun Selecusia(wiped them out completely), made protectorate from Thyssa and now we are fighting for Egypt(wiped by me by part and them by part) and western Selecusia (i play Lybian Amazons).

And even if the unit is so powerful, the thing is that its so easy to make. I don't know now the exact tech tree for Far East Celts, but Linked Armor Clad Cavalery and Battle Wagons should definitely require more then just blacksmith (last time i think they needed just that) - i would think something like the Library/scriptorium equivalent, i don't know now if the barbarians factions have that even though.

I really don't know much about Parthia, sorry - shouldn't they be the one of have Hassassins? (the assassin warriors that were in Medieval total war or Assassin Creed, they were like Fremen from Dune there - with stealth and such).

I did a quick 110 turn (playing Geothe) test with the latest version of the game trying to replicate this. The far east celt did attack the thyssa amazons right away and managed to conquer 6 regions in the beginning but after a while the Thyssa amazones strike back and became the upperhand. After 110 turns the far east celts just have a minor army and 3 regions left. This kind of behaviour is normall for the far east celt in my games.
I don't say the problem doesn't exist just couldn't replicate it.

[Balgeron]

One thing is, that Linked Clad Cavalry should still not be so easily attainable (same for Battle Wagon (not the Horde one!)) and Far East Celts shouldn't start with it maybe? They still have a lot of good units, even in the beginning of the game.

And other thing - what is Quest Campaign? I never seen anything like that anywhere in game, nor in readme - i just start the Anti Imperial Campaign, and start the script as you suggested (with adviser X, after show me).

[parthian shot]

One thing is, that Linked Clad Cavalry should still not be so easily attainable (same for Battle Wagon (not the Horde one!)) and Far East Celts shouldn't start with it maybe? They still have a lot of good units, even in the beginning of the game.

And other thing - what is Quest Campaign? I never seen anything like that anywhere in game, nor in readme - i just start the Anti Imperial Campaign, and start the script as you suggested (with adviser X, after show me).

Perhaps we can allow only one Linked Armor Clad Cavalry units instead of more. Like Paul mentioned, in AI, the FE Celt behavior can still be aggressive but usually retain no more than three regions after the initial flair of aggression.

For 8.0A release, the Quest Campaign is the third selection of the game menu.

Below the Anti-Imperial Campaign, you would see custom battle button, below the custom battle, you would see Quest Campaign.