Legal to murder a prostitute for non-compliance in the US?

[HoreTore]

It is one of the reasons we are not in the situation Germany was in 1932.

I don't see how that statement is anything other than wishful thinking based on nothing.

Are you suggesting that german judges helped Hitler's rise to power?

[Vuk]

I don't see how that statement is anything other than wishful thinking based on nothing.

Are you suggesting that german judges helped Hitler's rise to power?

No, but I am suggesting that control of the judicial system could very easily help a dictator rise to such power here in the US.

[HoreTore]

No, but I am suggesting that control of the judicial system could very easily help a dictator rise to such power here in the US.

....And my argument is that if we've progressed so far that a would-be tyrant is able to control the judges, we're screwed anyway. If he's able to do that, he's able to do a whole number of other nasty things we won't be able stop.

Conclusion: the jury system isn't a safeguard against tyranny, and should thus be judged solely on its ability to serve justice.

[Vuk]

....And my argument is that if we've progressed so far that a would-be tyrant is able to control the judges, we're screwed anyway. If he's able to do that, he's able to do a whole number of other nasty things we won't be able stop.

Conclusion: the jury system isn't a safeguard against tyranny, and should thus be judged solely on its ability to serve justice.

We are at that stage and have been for decades. Free countries are always teetering on the edge, above an abyss of tyranny. As long as enough people realize that and are willing to do something about it, we will not fall.

[Strike For The South]

The X is silent

[HoreTore]

We are at that stage and have been for decades. Free countries are always teetering on the edge, above an abyss of tyranny. As long as enough people realize that and are willing to do something about it, we will not fall.

The US President is able to control US judges?

What planet do you live on?

[HoreTore]

The US President appoints federal judges. Tons of them, not just the Supreme Court. While I think it is unfair to say that the President controls judges, it is well-known that some judges are cronies. Some are thought to be cronies, and then backfire on the president. It is a life-time appointment, and the only check and/or balance is the confirmation by congress, which is usually not a problem but sometimes can be.

Judges are mostly appointed by the cabinet/president in most countries, and they are almost always unfireable(a higher court can usually remove you for committing crimes or gross negligence though).

But to suggest that they are therefore controlled by the US president, suggests that vuk lives on Pluto.


I'd also add that their job security is a wonderful tool to stop any political interference dead in its tracks.

[Vuk]

I never said that and I don't know where you got the idea I meant that.

[Husar]

That sounds good.

So since judges are meant to be cronies according to the wise founding fathers, the people get the power to declare criminals innocent in advance in case they think the judge may actually sentence them to a year or two more than they deserve.
Checks and balances - check!

[HoreTore]

You really ought to study our system more. Crony judges are a part of our system, and it goes all the way back to the actual court rulings that allowed the executive branch to appoint federal judges in the first place. It is not a crazy thing to suggest at all, because there are lots of judges who are cronies of one administration or another.

....And these judges will rule in favour of Obama's(or Bush or whatever) wishes after a simple telephone call? No?

That's what a real crony was, that's how things worked in soviet Russia(and still does today, to some extent). Call me when you get there.