Edward Snowden, Hero or Traitor?

[d'Arthez]

No data collection without representation!

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Happy now?

[Papewaio]

Manning isn't a traitor until after he's been found guilty.

If he is already considered guilty how is he to get a fair trial?

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Also aren't the Apache pilots shooting unarmed reporters the ones who should be facing trial and all those who covered it up and hid the evidence?

I assume the soldiers oath covers something to do with lawful orders and protecting the Constitution. If fellow servicemen were abusing the law, doesn't that create an oath bound obligation to become a whistleblower once the chain of command is found complicit?

I understand that following orders wasn't a defense for WWII Germans but it was for Vietnam War Americans. So is it the current standard that the threshold for unlawful actions is anything goes unless it embarrasses those in command?

[Papewaio]

You guys are at the top and it is your fields to sow.

[Papewaio]

At least the diplomatic cables raised people's opinion of your diplomats.
It is also a catalyst in the Arab Spring be that good or bad.

I'm more concerned with a drone kill list then what Manning did.

[Strike For The South]

At least the diplomatic cables raised people's opinion of your diplomats.
It is also a catalyst in the Arab Spring be that good or bad.

I'm more concerned with a drone kill list then what Manning did.

Dear God are we still on the diplomatic cables?

What do you think goes on in every other capital?

The America has us under our thumb circlejerk is the most painful thing to listen to. If your country is part of NATO or ANZUS, they are complicit in this.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Dear God are we still on the diplomatic cables?

I want this to become an injoke whenever we talk about intelligence leaks.

"Let me talk to you about these cables."

[Papewaio]

Dear God are we still on the diplomatic cables?

What do you think goes on in every other capital?

The America has us under our thumb circlejerk is the most painful thing to listen to. If your country is part of NATO or ANZUS, they are complicit in this.

I've already mentioned the five eyes agreements.

The potential arrangement is that all parties only spy on foreigners unless a person has triggered a deeper inspection. The thing is each country then shares the data sets. So whilst your country doesn't spy on you regularly, the other ones do and then can legally share your information back to your government.

So all the countries of the alliance can legally spy on each others citizens and then report back to their voters that they only spy on foreigners. They then legally share all data and then legally have data on their citizens.

[Major Robert Dump]

I think I might have gone to North Korea instead, were I in his shoes, because its cheaper to feed your dates

[Fisherking]

I've already mentioned the five eyes agreements.

The potential arrangement is that all parties only spy on foreigners unless a person has triggered a deeper inspection. The thing is each country then shares the data sets. So whilst your country doesn't spy on you regularly, the other ones do and then can legally share your information back to your government.

So all the countries of the alliance can legally spy on each others citizens and then report back to their voters that they only spy on foreigners. They then legally share all data and then legally have data on their citizens.

That is exactly how it worked up until the Patriot Act, in the US.

Then they decided they could also gather data on their own citizens.

The last few NDAAs have only made it worse.

A lot of people (Democrats) were upset when Bush did it, and they should have been, but let it drop when their guy came in office. A lot of Republicans thought it was ok under Bush but upset now that Obama has expanded it, and yes he has greatly expanded it.

It is something everyone should be upset about no matter who is in office.

Congress thinks they are safe as they think provisions keep people from spying on them, but they are only fooling themselves. When everything and everyone is being watched they will not escape.

The program Obama spoke to my only be gathering the data he said but there are other programs gathering more.

None of the recent whistle blowers have divulged actual classified information, yet the government has gone to great lengths to silence them.

The new NSA facility being built in Utah is for more than storing your phone records and face book posts.