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    Default Re: Edward Snowden, Hero or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    I'll hold my hands up if I'm being ignorant here, but what would those be?
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    I am offering you a wider way of looking at history. Its all well and good that the little tiny "nations" of Europe think they're special. So did the Indian kingdoms. So did the chinese states. Europe is a distinct political entity, today, right now. Like the USA, or Russia, or China. The nations that make up Europe aren't. That was my point. All the side-tracking was just Europeans getting indignant.
    This is your central point?

    OK - I can engage with that, but reading it back into history is a fallacy. The US is composed of "States" but those states are much more similar than European Counties - they really have more in common with French "Departments" than with the Sovereign Nations of Europe.

    As to Europe being a distinct political entity currently - no, it isn't. Europe makes up a close cultural grouping with a cultural core and a periphery, but then so does Latin America, or the Anglo-sphere, or the "White Dominions", which includes the UK.

    Saying Europe is once political entity is rather like saying Canada, the UK and Australia are one political entity.

    In reality what you have is a fairly close grouping which may or may not coalesce into a new Nation-State or break apart completely.

    If the EU is a distinct political entity it has been a short-lived one which is quite possibly entering systemic collapse.
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