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    Using deduction you might find a better fit then I.

    I see scientists a bit like F1 drivers. Sure they can fang their cars around an ideal track but you can't really take them off road nor expect them to be experts about what is under the hood. Having said the we are dealing with models so it is closer to toy cars that we are testing.

    Philosophers deal with defining the car engines and the universe is much larger then the models that science uses.

    Science that I'm used to starts with a position that any theory can be proved wrong. That models are predictive but not absolute. That whilst we use data sets to predict the future here is inherent limits based on using statistical analysis. The most obvious being to make 100% predictions would require all data points to be known ie you'd need every data point which includes now, past and present to get a 100% prediction. But if you have every data point you don't need a model you have the entire set.

    So any system that assumes the scientific model is an absolute is missing one of the key points of science. Science is about making predictive models which by definition are neither absolute nor the entire thing. Maybe if we could slide around time like we can with space we would use a different method or at least one which we can test easier by jumping to future events.

    I operate under the assumption that until proven wrong model works. That the current models can be proven wrong. That they can be tested and that they can be replaced. That IFF we knew everything there would be no place for science.

    Is phsycology a science?

    In my opinion, humanity's history and humanity's future will be determined by the nature and outcomes of human phsycology.

    Hence, i believe history repeats itself. The only difference being the technology of the day.

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    Humans history and future is tied to our psychology which is tied to our nature and our environment. We change our environment with our technology. We are also embarking on changing our nature with pharma and DNA technology.

    Problem is no matter how good our psychology understanding it is only a small blip of time and entities in the universe. So whilst it will give some measure of our inner 'verse it won't help define post-humans or if they exist aliens very well.

    Psychology as a science has less data points and it is considered unethical to gather more in a lot of instances ie purposely separate twins at birth and raise them in distinctly different environments across multiple sets. So it operates with one hand tied behind its back. No one thinks of the trauma to molecules if we separate them post manufacture.
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