Will Obamacare succeed where term limits failed?

[Xiahou]

Union leaders who helped push Obamacare's passage, now seem to be suffering from buyer's remorse...

Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers

Can't say we didn't try to warn them....

[Fisherking]

The link didn’t work!

But here it is: http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intel...ng-of-workers/

I do find it disturbing that the Named Representatives are called Leader, regardless of what ever title they may have in Congress.

Smacks too much of Der Führer.

[Lemur]

Union leaders who helped push Obamacare's passage, now seem to be suffering from buyer's remorse...

Did we read the same letter? They just want some specific changes made to the implementation, and they're using apocalyptic language in a fit of overstatement. Nowhere do they demand the repeal of Obamacare; rather, like everybody with fingers in this pie, they want bits bent to suit their needs. Seems like perfectly normal lobbying.

Deeply amused that it's signed by Jimmy Hoffa. Does this mean they found him?

[Ironside]

Deeply amused that it's signed by Jimmy Hoffa. Does this mean they found him?

Close. Being aware of his forthcoming death, Jimmy Hoffa decided to conduct a biochemical project, where he implanted his genetical material into a living host, where the specimen grew, to eventually emerge after the incubation period ended. Due to limitation in this process, genetical material from the host were also used, creating only a partial clone, that despite having a diffferent upbringing decided to pursue a similar career.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Or in other words, he had a son.

[Fisherking]

Did we read the same letter? They just want some specific changes made to the implementation, and they're using apocalyptic language in a fit of overstatement. Nowhere do they demand the repeal of Obamacare; rather, like everybody with fingers in this pie, they want bits bent to suit their needs. Seems like perfectly normal lobbying.

Deeply amused that it's signed by Jimmy Hoffa. Does this mean they found him?

It sounded concerned enough for me. I have wondered about those 30 hour part time help limits my self.

If employers have incentives to cut work hours to save an expense they will not hesitate.

I would have also thought that existing employer/union plans would have been grandfathered in.

Tax exemptions and subsidies one would think would be based on income and not on whether the plan was a non profit or for profit plan.

Isn’t supposed to be about getting people affordable health care instead of benefiting large Insurance plans and major health care corporations?

If this were a sane world workers and small businesses would have woken up and seen that both established parties were only out to please the big money of corporations and founded a new party.

Instead they just believe the lies of their preferred group and blame the other side. And nothing changes.

[Lemur]

Instead they just believe the lies of their preferred group and blame the other side. And nothing changes.

As stated earlier, I expect that something useful might grow out of the exchanges. Example:

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

Supporters of the new health care law, the Affordable Care Act, credited the drop in rates to the online purchasing exchanges the law created, which they say are spurring competition among insurers that are anticipating an influx of new customers. The law requires that an exchange be started in every state.

-edit, yet another example-

Vermont Releases Final Health Insurance Rates

The Green Mountain Care Board — the regulatory authority for insurance and hospital rates in Vermont — announced this week that it negotiated 4.3% to 5.3% rate cuts in individual and small-group plans offered by Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont and MVP Health Care. The rates go into effect Jan. 1.

Vermont approved six “metal” plans in its health insurance Marketplace, also called an Exchange. There are two bronze, two silver, one gold, and one platinum plan, each with different combinations of copayments, coinsurance rates, and limits on annual out-of-pocket spending.

[Xiahou]

McClatchy has reported that in 2013, 97% of jobs created have been part-time jobs!

Ok, so where does Obamacare come in? Here:

“There is something going on if such a large share of the hiring is part time,” Hall said.

He said the overall share of part-time jobs to all jobs, 19 percent, wasn’t a problem – yet.

Hall speculated that the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, shorthanded as Obamacare, might be resulting in employers shifting workers to part-time status to avoid coming health care obligations.

“There’s been so much talk about the effects of Obamacare on part-time work,” he said. “This is such an unusual thing to see.”

So who's "Hall" you're thinking? From the article...

Hall is no ordinary academic. He ran the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs report, from 2008 to 2012.

[Xiahou]

Assuming just a straight hourly wage, companies would prefer to hire full-time over part-time. It would mean less people to train up, less people to manage, and less schedules to coordinate. Any disincentives for full-time employees are going to be attributable to government interference- some necessary.... some not.

Obamacare is saying that if you have employees work for more than 30 hours a week, it's going to cost you more money. So what do you do? Hire as many people at under 30 hours a week as you can. I don't get where you're seeing this as something nefarious on the part of business owners. They're trying to save money- the same as most anyone would.

[Fisherking]

You still have that two party mind set GC. There are plenty of Rich Corporate Types that pay tribute to the DNC and their candidates. McDonald’s got a government exemption from Obamacare and no one screamed.

Then there are guys like the owner of Obama’s next vacation home. David M. Schulte http://www.chilmarkpartners.com/davi...e-pages-18.php

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michell...neyard-vulture

Personally, I still think the plan is more about helping Insurance Companies than people. But hay, that is just me.

[Xiahou]

Maybe I'm just a poor capitalist because I don't sympathize with them at all, nor do I think they should be doing it. Its not really nefarious, its just lazy and greedy. If our pitiful attempt at subsidized healthcare is going to fail because business owners are cheap, then we should have just fought for true universal healthcare to begin with. The healthcare act, as it is, is a gentle nudge in the right direction for businesses. Chambers of commerce and small business associations can be major republican lobby bases, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of pressure coming from those places to put the blame on Obamacare and make a public stink about it all. Either way, their reaction proves that they need a harsher prodding instead.

Do you go out of your way to pay more for American made products? If not that, do you make sure you only buy FairTrade produce? Do you shop small, local businesses instead of big box stores? If not, can I call you lazy and greedy?