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    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
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    The type of "fraud" that the late individual was guilty of was not fraud in the true sense. It was merely one man refusing to pay a bill which was unconscionably high. You wouldn't charge him with fraud, you (as the provider) would enter litigation to sue him for services rendered unpaid. If the taxpayer or insured's are kind enough to extend credit to him unsolicited, that is their own kindness/foolishness. The coldly bureaucratic arguments which suggest that people should be hauled off for insulting the thought police or daring not to purchase a product which is optional and wildly overpriced is just vacuous, hyperbolic, claptrap. All valid political beliefs for a German to hold, at any given point in history.
    You sure you want the health industry to only accept payments in advance and that they always stop the treatment if things get more expensive than expected? Companies are usually neither openly kind or foolish you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Note the mushiness and emptiness of the libertarian answers to our troubled healthcare system. Note the real-world consequences of this sort of adolescent thinking, and the hostility its acolytes express when confronted with same.
    ... Point 2 openly contradict their own goal (it's on the top of the page) and point 3 is in lala land when it comes to medical safety. I'll be very surprised if they do know the origin of FDA and are aware on what type of corruption scandals FDA has been involved in (hint, getting disaproval on a dangerous, non-funtional drug is still as expensive as getting an approval on a functional one).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    As a governing philosophy, libertarianism is exactly as realistic as communism. Both suffer from good intentions and starry-eyed idealism, neither works once you scale past the family level. The similarities between the two are quite striking.
    I haven't red it in full, but the description of John Galt land have struck me as pretty close to a communist ideal (From each according to his ability, to each according to his need), only inhabitated by supermen, all with very high abillities, with a thin capitalistic veil to cover it up. Not sure if the impression changes by a detailed description.
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