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    The Irish Gaelic word for citizen is saoránach. Does anybody know the etymology of this?

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    @Brennus perhaps?
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    I'm afraid I am no linguist. Just an archaeologist. Sorry.



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    saor is the gaelic word for free so essentially it would be like saying free person or free man

    best place to ask for a proper etymology might be boards.ie

    you can try the etymology thread I suppose http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=848

    or here on this other one i quickly googled for ye dunno anything about it though http://www.daltai.com/index.php/about-us/


    thats as much help as I can give ye as linguistics and etymology of words would be a bit beyond me
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    Thank you. gaelic cowboy. Another question, not about Irish/Celtic this time, but...does anybody know where the first mentions of the Franks can actually be found. In other words the earliest contemporary source for them?

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    The Augustan History in the Life of Aurelian.

    Mille Sarmatas, mille Francos semel et semel occidimus;
    Mille Persas quaerimus.
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    The Augustan History in the Life of Aurelian.
    Thank you very much for that. Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Sempronius Gracchus View Post
    The Irish Gaelic word for citizen is saoránach. Does anybody know the etymology of this?
    El Bumpo.

    I have checked in a Scottish Gaelic dictionary.

    You should see the connotation:
    saoranach

    ** -aich, sm Free man, freed man, independant man, burgess, citizen, denizen.

    (of course, that's in the nominative)

    Independent/burgess/free(d) man. I guess the word originally meant the top class of legal status when social strata were defined by how (un) free you were, back in feudal times.
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