Irish speakers/Celtic linguist help.

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Gaius Sempronius Gracchus 20:33 06-19-2013

The Irish Gaelic word for citizen is saoránach. Does anybody know the etymology of this?

Hax 09:01 06-20-2013

@Brennus perhaps?

Brennus 09:03 06-20-2013

I'm afraid I am no linguist. Just an archaeologist. Sorry.

gaelic cowboy 22:36 06-20-2013

saor is the gaelic word for free so essentially it would be like saying free person or free man

best place to ask for a proper etymology might be boards.ie

you can try the etymology thread I suppose http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=848

or here on this other one i quickly googled for ye dunno anything about it though http://www.daltai.com/index.php/about-us/

thats as much help as I can give ye as linguistics and etymology of words would be a bit beyond me

Gaius Sempronius Gracchus 16:15 06-29-2013

Thank you. gaelic cowboy. Another question, not about Irish/Celtic this time, but...does anybody know where the first mentions of the Franks can actually be found. In other words the earliest contemporary source for them?

Catiline 12:10 07-02-2013

The Augustan History in the Life of Aurelian.

Originally Posted by :
Mille Sarmatas, mille Francos semel et semel occidimus;
Mille Persas quaerimus.

Gaius Sempronius Gracchus 10:07 07-03-2013

Originally Posted by Catiline:
The Augustan History in the Life of Aurelian.

Thank you very much for that. Brilliant.

El Barto 17:09 07-27-2013

Originally Posted by Gaius Sempronius Gracchus:
The Irish Gaelic word for citizen is saoránach. Does anybody know the etymology of this?

El Bumpo.

I have checked in a Scottish Gaelic dictionary.

You should see the connotation:

saoranach

** -aich, sm Free man, freed man, independant man, burgess, citizen, denizen.

(of course, that's in the nominative)

Independent/burgess/free(d) man. I guess the word originally meant the top class of legal status when social strata were defined by how (un) free you were, back in feudal times.

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