responding to common objections to bible part 4

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    total relism said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Dude... I don't think many would argue that there has been this guy named Jesus who's mother was kind of slutty and who's dad was kind of a tool...

    What you fail to convince us of is that this guy was the son of God and not the son of the milkman or whatever.
    oh sorry,so you than do accept jesus was a real man,but reject what the writers of the time said he was. I dont care to try and make someone accept who he is that is their choice to accept what was written of him or not. You believe his mom committed adultery etc that is fine, not based on any evidence [your worldview] but fine, it shows historical writings dont mean a thing,this thread is not about what your asking anywho.


    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    So you wish to justify your position by using Communists who doubt the divinity of Jesus in the first place?!??! What madness has overcome you?!?!?

    You have obviously lost the touch of God since you seem to have no issue in hearing the atheists words which pervert the strength and moral fiber of all they try to convert.

    Why don't you ask the spider for information on the fly. Or the strong on the meek? YOu ask of God among atheists and I cannot believe that this was a fair discussion in the first place.

    Read the OP, OP. Where is the evidence that God Himself has laid bare? Do no longer rely on the heathens words to speak for you. You have not shown any evidence.

    i am sorry, i dont understand much at all of what your saying. If you could give me some historical/logical evidential position for whatever it is you disagree with me on, i will gladly listen.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Nope. Not a single thing.

    Just like you. Your theory might be right, my theory might be right....

    Contemporary and empirical evidence would show that my theory is more PLAUSIBLE though... What do you have got going for you?

    EDIT: AND YOU STILL HAVENT EXPLAINED YOUR COMMUNISTIC TIES!!!

    so i provide multiple historical writings for my idea of jesus, he was real and thought to have been crucified and messiah and majority of writings son of god. You provide what you admit to have no evidence for, yet than amazingly claim

    "Contemporary and empirical evidence would show that my theory is more PLAUSIBLE though".


    i care not and dont know how to debate with this logic.


    I also hate communist
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ism&highlight=


    i used even the most radical liberal scholars,to show all agree jesus was a real man that lived and died under pilate.
    Last edited by total relism; 07-10-2013 at 06:07.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1
     
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    total relism said:

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    anyone anything on topic?
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1
     
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    a completely inoffensive name said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    i am sorry, i dont understand much at all of what your saying. If you could give me some historical/logical evidential position for whatever it is you disagree with me on, i will gladly listen.
    My position is God's position for I speak from the Bible, the true evidence that has graced us all by His hand.

    Let me save you son. I speak from as a herald of His word. This board is tainted by the materialists, the Communists and the Atheists. By fighting them they drive you into their false scholars.

    Remember the truth of Matthew 6:5 from the Good Book, King James.
    5And when thou prayest , thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I sayunto you , They have their reward.
    But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    Solidarity in silence has been our way. We must not speak up lest we open our ears by accident by those who wish to lead us astray. You have seen this yourself with quoting Communists in the far isles from the South Hemisphere. Do you understand His message now?
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    Kadagar_AV said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    oh sorry,so you than do accept jesus was a real man,but reject what the writers of the time said he was. I dont care to try and make someone accept who he is that is their choice to accept what was written of him or not. You believe his mom committed adultery etc that is fine, not based on any evidence [your worldview] but fine, it shows historical writings dont mean a thing,this thread is not about what your asking anywho.
    If I would believe all sources from 2000 years ago, we would have SO SO SO many gods.

    Can you explain why I should believe in yours specifically?


    so i provide multiple historical writings for my idea of jesus, he was real and thought to have been crucified and messiah and majority of writings son of god. You provide what you admit to have no evidence for, yet than amazingly claim

    "Contemporary and empirical evidence would show that my theory is more PLAUSIBLE though".


    i care not and dont know how to debate with this logic.


    I also hate communist
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ism&highlight=


    i used even the most radical liberal scholars,to show all agree jesus was a real man that lived and died under pilate.
    Let me guess, you aren't exactly a top grad student?

    Can you tell the difference between historical writings and evidence?

    And as a PS: The communist thing was just to show your lack of intelligent communication. You can not tell our jokes from statements... Kind of makes me think you cant tell historical jokes from facts either.

    With that said, you STILL havent explained your communistic ties.
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  5. total relism's Avatar

    total relism said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    If I would believe all sources from 2000 years ago, we would have SO SO SO many gods.

    Can you explain why I should believe in yours specifically?




    Let me guess, you aren't exactly a top grad student?

    Can you tell the difference between historical writings and evidence?

    And as a PS: The communist thing was just to show your lack of intelligent communication. You can not tell our jokes from statements... Kind of makes me think you cant tell historical jokes from facts either.

    With that said, you STILL havent explained your communistic ties.


    first part, great question. All i can do is exspalin why I believe in my god and why i reject say Islam etc. That is the last thread of my objections and my favorite topic. I am sorry but i wish not to get into it know as that deserves its own topic.



    not sure what evidence you want? me to go back with a recorder and tape him? that is hard to do. We have eye witness accounts you reject, that is good for court of law, i cant go and show you his body because its gone [most see that as evidence for his claims] all i can suggest i guess for what your asking is either be constant and reject all historical writings [no Abraham Lincoln,no Julius ceaser deny Holocaust etc] or give reason to reject it some places and not others. But i care not to debate with someone whos worldview controls so much,they will just reiteprit everything in light of their biases. Maybe you would find debates on jesus Resurrection interesting.

    you can find dozens of debates n jesus Resurrection here
    http://www.reasonablefaith.org/

    but this thread is not on what you ask, sorry.


    communist, sorry cant tell if its a joke. I guess i could be wrong that everyone was just joking about jesus, willing to die and kill for that joke as well, without admitting to it i guess. How they got so many people in different places/languages [enemies unbias and friends] all in on the joke, is amazing to me.
    Last edited by total relism; 07-10-2013 at 06:38.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1
     
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    total relism said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    jokes .
    tell me if you like this joke? i have many more, many bad ones as well.

    What do you get when you mix a atheist with a Jehovah witness?...... someone who knocks on your door for no reason.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1
     
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    Kadagar_AV said:

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    I... I think he just contributed to the forum...
     
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    total relism said:

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    I... I think he just contributed to the forum...
    than maybe you like this

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Funny pastor rap
    http://www.godvine.com/Hilarious-Rap...ign=10-22-2012

    All 3 are very funny
    Dane Cook - Catholic and Church
    http://vodpod.com/watch/180680-dane-...lic-and-church
    Jim Gaffigan - Jesus - Beyond the Pale
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_9mXpNdgU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1t3B7FZpmI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_9mXpNdgU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTEHYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE&feature=channel"&HYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE&feature=channel"feature=channel
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZLw_KBdqc

    Hilarious Signs: 15 Hilarious Church Signs
    http://www.oddee.com/item_86516.aspx
    http://www.guy-sports.com/funny/funny_church_signs.htm
    http://www.funnysigns.net/category/church/



    and these

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    how do they make holy water?........ they boil the hell out of it.


    A little girl became restless as the preacher's sermon dragged on and on. Finally she leaned over to her mother and whispered, "Mommy, if we give him the money now, will he let us go?"


    A Sunday school teacher asked her little children, as they were on the way to church service, "And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?"
    One bright little girl replied, "Because people are sleeping."

    Why wasn't Jesus born in Glasgow?
    Because they couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

    I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.
    A man was out at sea and his ship sunk, he was floating around praying for god to save him.
    About a hour later a boat came buy and threw out a life vest, he did not take it he said god will save him, He kept praying another hour pased and another boat came same thing.
    He said no god will save me, Than a third time still he would not acept help. He belived he was a pius man and if god wanted to save him he would.
    Later he finally grew tired and drowned, When he was up in hevan he said to god why did you not save me i prayed and prayed?
    God said i sent you three boats what more did you want?



    A atheist was late for a very important business meting, but could not find a parking space so he prayed to god, god please help me find a space this job is so important to me just help me this one time and ill start going to church and donate my money,
    Just than a space opens up and the athist says oh never mind i found a spot

    little girl asked her mother, 'How did the human race appear?'

    The mother answered, 'God made Adam and Eve and they had children and that's how all mankind was made.'

    Two days later the girl asked her father the same question.

    The father answered, 'Many years ago there were monkeys, from which the human race evolved.'

    The confused girl returned to her mother and said, 'Mom, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Dad said they developed from monkeys?'

    The mother answered, 'Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your father told you about his.

    A Bolt of Lightning
    One day a priest was playing baseball. A nun was cheerleading near first base.

    The priest was up to bat. The pitcher threw the ball. The priest swung, missed, and said "Dammit!
    I missed!"

    "Don't you say that mister or God will strike you with a bolt of lightning," the nun said.

    Again the pitcher threw the ball. The priest swung, missed, and said "Dammit!
    I missed!"

    "If you say that one more time mister, God will strike you with a bolt of lightning," the nun said.

    Once again the pitcher threw the ball. The priest swung, missed, and said "Dammit! I missed!"

    A bolt of lightning strikes the nun and God says "Dammit! I missed!"



    f you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed..
    Need an ark to save two of every animal? I noah guy.


    A little child in church for the first time watched as the ushers passed the offering plates. When they neared the pew where he sat, the youngster piped up so that everyone could hear: "Don't pay for me Daddy, I'm under five."



    Terri asked her Sunday School class to draw pictures of their favorite Bible stories. She was puzzled by Kyle's picture, which showed four people on an airplane, so she asked him which story it was meant to represent.
    "The flight to Egypt," said Kyle.
    "I see ... And that must be Mary, Joseph, and Baby Jesus," Ms.Terri said. "But who's the fourth person?"
    "Oh, that's Pontius - the pilot.



    A little boy was overheard praying: "Lord, if you can't make me a better boy, don't worry about it. I'm having a real good time like I am."


    A Priest, a Rabbi, and a Minister...
    A priest, rabbi and minister went fishing in a boat on a lake. The priest said that he was thirsty, stood up, stepped out of the boat and walked across the water to shore where he purchased a can of soda. After he returned in the same manner the minister thought the soda was a good idea so he also stepped out of the boat and walked on the water to shore for a soda. After he returned the rabbbi decided to follow their exampled. He took one step out of the boat and promptly sank out of sight.
    The priest turned to the minister. "I guess we should have told him where the rocks were."


    Six-year old Angie and her four-year old brother Joel were sitting together in church. Joel giggled, sang and talked out loud. Finally, his big sister had had enough. "You're not supposed to talk out loud in church."
    "Why? Who's going to stop me?" Joel asked.
    Angie pointed to the back of the church and said, "See those two men standing by the door? They're hushers."

    Jesus and Moses were strolling by the Red Sea, when Moses nudged Jesus and said, "Psst. Hey, Jesus, I've still got it."
    Moses turned towards the Red Sea and lifted his staff on high. The angels began to sing, the gentle sea breeze turned into a raging gale, and the waters of the Red Sea were parted. Moses lowered his arms and, with a smug grin on his face, turned back to face Jesus.
    Jesus scoffed. "Moses, my boy," said the Messiah, "I have still got it." And with a flourish of his robes, Jesus stepped onto the waters of the Red Sea and began to stride across without so much as a ripple.
    But to Moses' amazement, halfway across the water, Jesus suddenly began to sink. He splashed into the water and began to choke and flounder as the waves tossed him around. Moses grumbled at Jesus' sillyness and parted the water once more. Moses helped Jesus back to shore, as the Saviour hacked up salt water.
    When they had finally reached shore, Moses slapped a consoling hand on Jesus' shoulder and said, "Don't worry about it, Lord. Last time you tried it, you didn't have holes in your feet."
    #
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    What did Jesus say when he was up on the cross?
    "This was one Hell of a way to spend my Easter vacation
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    Heavenly Golf
    Moses, Jesus, and another guy were out playing golf one day.
    Moses pulled up to the tee and drove a long one. It landed in the fairway but rolled directly toward a water trap. Quickly Moses raised his club, the water parted and it rolled to the other side, safe and sound.
    Next, Jesus strolled up to the tee and hit a nice long one directly toward the same water trap. It landed directly in the center of the pond and kind of hovered over the water. Jesus casually walked out on the pond and chipped it up onto the green.
    The third guy got up and sort of randomly whacked the ball. It headed out over the fence and into on-coming traffic on a nearby street. It bounced off a truck and hit a nearby tree. From there it bounced onto the roof of a nearby shack and rolled down into the gutter, down the downspout, out onto the fairway and right toward the same pond. On the way to the pond, it hit a little stone and bounced out over the water, onto a lily pad where it rested quietly. Suddenly, a very large bullfrog jumped up on the lily pad and snatched the ball into his mouth. Just then, an eagle swooped down and grabbed the frog and flew away. As they passes over the green, the frog squealed with fright and dropped the ball, which bounced right into the hole for a beautiful hole in one.
    Moses then turned to Jesus and said, "I hate playing with your Dad
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    Jesus at the bar
    Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:19:23 -0500
    The bartender was washing his glasses, when an elderly Irishman came in. With great difficulty, the Irishman hoisted his bad leg over the barstool, pulled himself up painfully, and asked for a sip of Irish whiskey. The Irishman looked down the bar and said, "Is that Jesus down there?" The bartender nodded, so the Irishman told him to give Jesus an Irish whiskey, too.
    The next patron to come in was an ailing Italian with a hunched back, who moved very slow. He shuffled up to the barstool and asked for a glass of Chianti. He also looked down the bar and asked if that was Jesus sitting at the end of the bar. The bartender nodded, so the Italian said to give Him a glass of Chianti, too.
    The third patron to enter the bar was a redneck, who swaggered into the bar and hollered, "Barkeep, set me up a cold one! Hey, is that God's Boy down there?" The barkeep nodded, so the redneck told him to give Jesus a cold one, too.
    As Jesus got up to leave, he walked over to the Irishman and touched him and said, "For your kindness, you are healed!" The Irishman felt the strength come back to his leg, so he got up and danced a jig out the door.
    Jesus touched the Italian and said, "For your kindness, you are healed!" The Italian felt his back straighten, so he raised his hands above his head and did a flip out the door.
    Jesus walked toward the redneck, but the redneck jumped back and exclaimed, "Don't touch me! I'm drawing disability!"
    #
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    Top Ten Reasons Eve Was Created
    10. God was worried that Adam would frequently become lost in the garden because he would not ask for directions.
    9. God knew that one day Adam would require someone to locate and hand him the remote.
    8. God knew Adam would never go out and buy himself a new fig leaf when his wore out and would therefore need Eve to buy one for him.
    7. God knew Adam would never be able to make a doctor's, dentist, or haircut appointment for himself.
    6. God knew Adam would never remember which night to put he garbage on the curb.
    5. God knew if the world was to be populated, men would never be able to handle the pain and discomfort of childbearing.
    4. As the Keeper of the Garden, Adam would never remember where he left his tools.
    3. Apparently, Adam needed someone to blame his troubles on when God caught him hiding in the garden.
    2. As the Bible says, It is not good for man to be alone!
    And finally, the Number 1 reason why God created Eve . .
    1. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, "I can do better than that."

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    An Indian man dies and arrives at the Pearly Gates. “Yes, how can I help?” asks St Peter. “I’m here to meet Jesus,” says the Indian man. St Peter looks over his shoulder and shouts, “Jesus, your cab is here!”
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    He who is without sin
    Jesus saw a crowd chasing down a woman to stone her and approached them. "What's going on here, anyway?" he asked.
    "This woman was found committing adultery, and the law says we should stone her!" one of the crowd responded.
    "Wait," yelled Jesus. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
    Suddenly, a stone was thrown from out of the sky, and knocked the woman on the side of her head.
    "Aw, c'mon, Dad..." Jesus cried, "I'm trying to make a point here!"
    #
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    A woman went into her kitchen to find a burglar loaded down with a bunch of stuff he was stealing from her kitchen. Not having any kind of weapon to scare him off, she raised her hand and said "Acts 2:38," and proceeded to quote scripture.
    The burglar froze in place and didn't move. The woman called 911, the police arrived and were amazed to find the burglar still frozen where he stood.
    "What did you say to him that kept him from moving?" they asked the woman.
    She told them that she had simply said Acts 2:38 and quoted scripture.
    The police chuckled and escorted the burglar out to the patrol car. "Why did the woman's quoting scripture scare you so much?" they asked.
    "Scripture?" said the burglar, "I thought she said she had an ax and two 38's!"
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    Pain in the Side
    At Sunday School they were teaching how God created everything, including human beings. Little Johnny seemed especially intent when they told him how Eve was created out of one of Adam's ribs. Later in the week his mother noticed him lying down as though he were ill, and said, Johnny what is the matter? Little Johnny responded, "I have a pain in my side. I think I'm going to have a wife."





    A man was out at sea and his ship sunk, he was floating around praying for god to save him.
    About a hour later a boat came buy and threw out a life vest, he did not take it he said god will save him, He kept praying another hour pased and another boat came same thing.
    He said no god will save me, Than a third time still he would not acept help. He belived he was a pius man and if god wanted to save him he would.
    Later he finally grew tired and drowned, When he was up in hevan he said to god why did you not save me i prayed and prayed?
    God said i sent you three boats what more did you want?


    How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? ~Woody Allen, "Selections from the Allen Notebooks," Without Feathers, 1975


    Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to God. Really. ~Lenny Bruce, "Religions Inc.," in The Essential Lenny Bruce, ed. John Cohen, 1967

    Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman. ~Author Unknown

    "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed, Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, "Why god? Why me?" and the thundering voice of God answered, "There's just something about you that pisses me off."
    Stephen King.


    When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?
    Quentin Crisp
    Last edited by total relism; 07-10-2013 at 07:20.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1
     
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    Philippus Flavius Homovallumus said:

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    I'm sorry - I know people are expecting a wall of text - but I just can't be bothered. Not only is it a pointless exercise marshalling my considerable theological resources to counter the OP, but he's demonstrated he can't (or won't) understand me anyway.

    So I'm just going to sit here in the sun and melt instead.
    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."

    [IMG]https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4917/logoromans23pd.jpg[/IMG]
     
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    Sigurd said:

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    This one is easy...

    To.8. Divinity of Jesus? According to the Bible ... Yes.
    To.9. God ordered genocide on the Canaanites? According to the Bible ... Yes.
    To.10. God hardened the heart of Pharao? According to the Bible ... Yes.

    Next.
    Status Emeritus
     
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    HoreTore said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I'm sorry - I know people are expecting a wall of text - but I just can't be bothered. Not only is it a pointless exercise marshalling my considerable theological resources to counter the OP, but he's demonstrated he can't (or won't) understand me anyway.

    So I'm just going to sit here in the sun and melt instead.
    Bah, your posting was one of the things making these threads worthwhile, even though I have almost no interest in the topic.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
     
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