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    Humanist Senior Member Franconicus's Avatar
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    Default How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    I know that our government will propably do noting substantially. It either finds it unimportant to defend the constitutions or is scared from the USA.

    But what should it do?

    Here are my proposals:

    1) We should stop to exchange any kind of data with the US immediately. This would show that spying on friends does not increase the National security.
    2) We should ask the United Nations to debate this issue and to pass a resolution to protect data from internet, mobiles etc. I am aware that the US may block any resolution, but I would like to see the discussion.
    3) We should start criminal proceedings against those involved in these programs. This means that we should try to get Snowden as an witness. I know that we would propably not be able to sentence anybody, but the inverstigation would bring things to the light and those responcible would not be able to travel to Europe any longer.
    4) We should tighten our laws against the storage of data and we should punish any (American) company that does not follow these laws. Sentence Microsoft, Google and others with some billion charges and see what will happen. If we cannot get the US agencies, we can get the auxs.

    In case the US government still insist on their programs and does not appologize and guarantees to respect our laws:

    5) Stop any meetings about the economic treaty with the US.
    how could we have an agreement if one side does not respect our laws?
    6) Quit the NATO. NATO was planned to be a defensive alliance to protect the free world. Only time one of the allies was attacked was the US in 9/11. Currently we are involved in a war to defend our American allies. Obviously we have to accept the fact that the Americans behave hostile and are more threatening us and our way of life than some fanatic moslems.

    Of course the governemnt will do nothing like this. Most likely it will wait until elections are done and change our laws so that the American acticities are legal.

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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    7) Invite Russia to advance our relations and become better friends.

    8) start a health offensive and throw out cheap american food producers.

    9) vote a minority party into office, even if it's the communists I don't really care at this point since the big ones are obviously just about hot air.


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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    The Dutch government is so intrusive that I don't even care what the NSA does. I hope that it at least serves a purpose instead of our government's obsession with databases on just about everything. Nowhere are you as much spiead upon as here, and oddly enough nowhere are you more likely to get away with crime despite all these eyes everywhere
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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Germany is the most spied on country in Europe, by the US.

    Outrage is good. Government outrage would be better.

    You have more leverage than any other EU country also. Their most strategic bases are here. Forbidding access to German air space until they stop would get their attention real quick.

    It is not over politically but I doubt the German Government will get tough with them.


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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Your government cooperated

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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    things to do - for European government officials:

    A) Stop pretending you are surprised and outraged - everyone spies on everyone else, that's the game, yes even allies, I understand a certain level of public outrage soap-opera will be produced but it's annoying to sit through 2-3 weeks of news reports of people acting like offended virgins.
    B) what you should be pissed about is that they succeeded and that it took an internal mole for you to find out
    C) Talk to your people responsible for preventing this /slash doing the same thing back, fire some incompetents, beef up efforts and get back in the game.
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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    7) Invite Russia to advance our relations and become better friends.

    8) start a health offensive and throw out cheap american food producers.

    9) vote a minority party into office, even if it's the communists I don't really care at this point since the big ones are obviously just about hot air.
    7) I thought about Russia or China, but what would that be good for? None of these shares our values of democracy and freedom. I think Russia and China are closer to Washington from the idiologicaly point of view.
    Of course we can go on trading, like we used to do.

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