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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I never claimed anyone has moral highground, I just said some are more honest about it than others.

    About our own secret service I'm horribly confused because the press seems to be as well.
    First people think of course they knew, then they say they knew about prism, then it turns out there is also a prism in Afghanistan that is separate and maybe they knew only about that.
    As for them doing it themselves I first heard that they released money to start such a program shortly after prism was revealed and/or they strongly wanted such a program, now some say they already have it. If they already have it, why did they want money to get it?

    I'm not claiming anything, just saying all the info seems shady, at least Putin said right away that he is doing the same thing, no confusion there.

    As for the "gulags", are they worse than gitmo? Are they even comparable to the actual gulags during the worst communist years? Or do people just say that because it sounds horrible and they can't get over how harsh russians and their weather are?
    So - wait- the Germans ARE doing it too?

    Anyway - as regards Russia and Putin vs the US.

    The US has the same prejudice against Muslims now that it had against the Japanese during WWII.

    Russia has a perpetual prejudice against everyone and a history of autocracy. Russia is not our friend, never has been, never will be. The US has behaved very badly over the last decade, but the underlying ideas are still there and they still see us in a better light than they do Muslims, especially dark Muslims.

    If we're being honest - the US will treat us better - at the very least they'll not cut us while they ravage us - Russia, all bets are off.
    Last edited by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus; 07-19-2013 at 00:48.
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