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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    Obama ain't no Putin. We're quite a few steps removed from that.
    Sure, but are you suggesting that we must wait until we have a president who is literally Putin before we act?


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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    No, but I think premature action is the worst thing possible. We don't live in the 1700s, revolution isn't really possible in the way that so many right-wing separatists want. It would be a massacre, and it would be brief. I think we have two choices: Nip this in the bud by reforming our political institutions peacefully and deliberately, or accept that we are not going to be a Republic for much longer. Revolution is just the worst possible solution, and by far the least likely to accomplish anything.
    I don't really see anyone asking for a revolution. I only see people who take the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln to heart:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be take pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy
    The only difference between that statement and one which would be made today is that we no longer fight for the notion that we are to be all equal, we fight for the notion that we are to be not equally starved in our rights to privacy and property.


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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    You called to 'act.' That can only be interpreted in a few ways, regardless of whether or not they have been pondering the wisdom of honest Abe.
    Strange, I feel that 'act' is one of the most generous and vague terms to throw out there. Acting comes in all forms, revolution, peaceful protesting, civil disobedience, even inaction is an act in of itself.


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    Default Re: How should European countries react on the NSA activities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    So which one of those is helped by reflecting on Abe's wisdom?

    Because, personally, I find his stance regarding the secession of the South to be far more telling than any other stance he took.
    I am not advocating a particular method of changing the system. I am simply asking you that perhaps Snowden is simply putting into action what Lincoln claims he himself should do in a similar position. What is inherently wrong with aiding the enemy if you yourself believe that the government has abandoned (or is abandoning) everything which it claims to stand for?

    Please elaborate the second part of that post.


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