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    Default UK to have "opt out" Porn filters

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

    David Cameron has persuaded the four biggest ISP's in the UK to move to "opt out" filters for pornography rather than "opt in" ones.

    Worth pointing out - he said he'd do this in 2007, so this is a Minister following through on a pledge he made (shocking).

    Aside from that, I can't help feeling that most people will "opt out" and that the only "losers" will be teenage boys and young men in rented accommodation who have to ask the landlord to "opt out".

    I'm trying to muster some indignation about privacy and freedom of information - but I'm really struggling here. There's no new law, Cameron has basically convinced the ISP's this will look better for them than fighting the government.

    An ancillery issue is a ban on owning "rape" pornography.
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    Obviously, most of the existing pornography will not be filtered out. There's a lot more to pornography than Brazzers and Naughty America. Most people don't look up porn by googling "porn".

    What a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Obviously, most of the existing pornography will not be filtered out. There's a lot more to pornography than Brazzers and Naughty America. Most people don't look up porn by googling "porn".

    What a waste of time.
    Or it goes the other way - and BBC iPlayer gets filtered out when it runs Basic Instinct.

    I'm not convinced this isn't just publicity, so that the government makes everyone aware of the filters, and then walks back and makes them "opt in" at the last minute.
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    IT'S HAPPENING!


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    Or it goes the other way - and BBC iPlayer gets filtered out when it runs Basic Instinct.
    Or Moonlight Kingdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Or it goes the other way - and BBC iPlayer gets filtered out when it runs Basic Instinct.
    Urgh... It is basically boiling down to this.

    Many governments are scrambling to gain control of the internet after the Arab Spring. It's (in my opinion) an excuse to place control of the internet into government hands, should such an event happen here (not that it would).

    Pornography is just the excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Urgh... It is basically boiling down to this.

    Many governments are scrambling to gain control of the internet after the Arab Spring. It's (in my opinion) an excuse to place control of the internet into government hands, should such an event happen here (not that it would).

    Pornography is just the excuse.
    Call me a conspiracy theorists if you must, but those thoughts crossed my mind as well.

    Under the guise of protecting the youth against the evil pornography, they try to control the internet.

    I hope some smart kid manages to hack David Camerons' personal website and places porn on it.
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    Alex Deane, the Head of Public Affairs at Weber Shandwick, looked red in the face on yesterday’s #SkyPapers when he criticised David Cameron and Claire Perry’s plans to block pornography in households unless there is an opt-in submission to have access.

    He was of course right: if we are genuinely concerned about the problems that pornography is causing young people then it is a family issue to control – not a role for the state to police.

    But that’s irrelevant, because using the moral argument can only get you so far in our sorry state of contemporary British Politics. What is not irrelevant is that this policy announcement does not have a hope in hell of being successful.

    If you’re slightly savvy with a computer you would have heard about web proxies. A proxy server is an invisible filter that acts as an intermediary between a user’s computer and the Internet so that the individual or business can ensure security, administrative control, and caching service – or anonymity.


    With a few clicks on a search engine, you can use a proxy which is based in the Cayman Islands, India, or Japan to search for anything with a hidden IP address. And, to put it bluntly, there is nothing the government can do to stop you from accessing any site you wish – including pornography.

    To see how hard it is to block off the internet, we need to look across to the UAE, where restrictions are put in place on pornography and gambling. I worked as a Journalist in Bahrain last year, and from my time spent in the UAE, I know from first hand experience that many people living there use proxies to play online poker, for example. States are trying, but are failing, to block off the web.

    Christina Patterson, Alex Deane’s ‘opponent’ on Sky Papers, argued that only a minority of people will know about proxies, and therefore the government’s plan would work. She was in a sense correct: Britain has taken quite a liberal approach to internet freedom, and as such, users have no reason to use a proxy as the vast majority of the internet is free to see. So of course, to begin with, only a minority will be aware of blocked website bypassing techniques – but that will soon change when the state realises that all men watch porn. Even so, when it comes to the children – the very people who this policy is supposed to protect – how long do we think it will be before one computer savvy kid in each school finds out how to use a proxy, and then the entire school knows? It really is not very difficult to do.

    A recent example in music pirating shows how easy it is: Earlier this year, the High Court declared that internet blocks were to be put in place on KickassTorrents, Fenopy and H33T – due to illegal music sharing. What is interesting is that traffic on those websites did not drop massively even with the blocks in place.

    Companies such as BT, Sky, Virgin Media, O2, EE, and TalkTalk were told by the court to block subscriber access to KickassTorrents, Fenopy and H33T, and when they did so, users immediately searched for alternative methods to enter these websites. One notable example was the sudden surge in people searching for “KickassTorrents proxy” through Google, which will supply you with a wealth of proxies through which you can access the website. And an even more extreme example is that of PirateBay, which saw its traffic increase after blocks were put in place.

    Methods have been introduced by governments to remove proxy servers across the internet – for obvious reasons. So if you are having trouble accessing KickassTorrents, or whatever it may be, you can use come.in, which is a website dedicated to providing the latest and most up to date proxy servers to these sorts of websites.

    It is naïve that the government believes it can regulate the internet; it is far too open to ever be curtailed. A fantastic example which proves this is the black market economy, of which the notorious Silk Road website is a major player. Silk Road is essentially an underground Ebay website – but you cannot access it via Google, and the government seemingly cannot do anything about it either.


    Silk Road lets users purchase drugs of almost any source – even heroin – anonymously. The company produced $22 million in sales in 2012. These transactions are performed using Bitcoin and sellers are given a recommendation rating like they might receive on Ebay. You can have MDMA sent to your house – and it is practically impossible to stop.

    Examples like these highlight the flawed agenda of the government. Cameron and Perry’s plans to regulate households is not a role for the government, it is immoral that the state should assume the role of the parent in a family environment, but what’s more is that this policy will fall flat on its face. It cannot work. It is completely redundant and will damage the government’s credibility as a lawmaker when it inevitably fails – and the tech generation knows it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Call me a conspiracy theorists if you must, but those thoughts crossed my mind as well.
    It's power landgrab alright, but I don't doubt that it was done purely and solely to stop the "evils" out there. Unfortunately your or my idea of the "evils" out there is somewhat more limited than what conservatives can conceive of.

    I hope some smart kid manages to hack David Camerons' personal website and places porn on it.
    I hope not. Remember it is the UK we're talking about, knickers in twists is the least of your worries. Next thing you know there will be draconian laws passed banning the use of the Internet by teenagers with more wherewithal than a lobotomised lobster entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    An ancillery issue is a ban on owning "rape" pornography.
    Which is a de-facto ban on Japanese pron.
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    How could this happen in a supposedly First World nation? It would seem more appropriate in a Third World Middle Eastern dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    How could this happen in a supposedly First World nation? It would seem more appropriate in a Third World Middle Eastern dictatorship.
    Well, I guess that multiculturalism policy seems to be working.....


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    The outrage here should be on the idiotic waste of time and money.

    Every single porn filter ever created will fail spectacularly. Why? Because no person on earth is smarter than the collective sex drive of all the teenage boys of a given country.

    Boys will have their porn, no matter what Cameron thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    How could this happen in a supposedly First World nation? It would seem more appropriate in a Third World Middle Eastern dictatorship.
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    Well, I guess that multiculturalism policy seems to be working.....
    This is the UK we're talking about. Everything is done thinking of the children and moral outrage is a national past time.

    It's also the precursor to the USA. Now you understand where your conservatives get their ideas from.
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    The british government has one of the largest porn collections itself given that GCHQ stores all incoming traffic for three months.
    Maybe they want to save on hard disk drives.

    Either way I'm looking forward to official statistics about where Britain's porn capitals are based on the opt-outs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    How could this happen in a supposedly First World nation? It would seem more appropriate in a Third World Middle Eastern dictatorship.
    It was going to happen in Australia too but there was enough public outcry that it was eventually cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens in this case.

    EDIT: Also, assuming Labour oppose it (though surely some would cross the floor to support this), and assuming the Lib Dems aren't once again going to commit political suicide by supporting this (which they probably will, but for the sake of argument let's say they won't)... how will this even pass? This would be a huge thing to propose without a really confident Whip count.
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    I support the ban on porn because it will clearly reduce the occurrences of drug addiction, child abuse and human trafficking. Pre-internet era studies prove this

    Now if only the UK would ban fat people we might solve the World Death Crisis once and for all
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