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    Default Modder's debate - Moorish Starting position - the most ideal one for modders?

    Real-life situation in Muslim Spain and North Africa around 1080:


    As you can see, the Almoravids did not even conquer Al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) until 1086. The original Medieval Total War starts around 1087, so it's realistic to make Al-Andalus part of the Moorish starting provinces. But Medieval 2 Total War starts in 1080. Realistically, the Andalusian taifas should be either rebel provinces or a faction on their own.
    The Almoravids never ruled over Tunisia or Libya. So Medieval Total War did it wrong.


    Meanwhile, in Medieval Total War:

    (Almohad starting position, 1087 - btw, Almoravids would be most correct. Also, the Almoravid Caliphate never included Tunisia and Libya. As for Algeria, it was limited to only Western Algeria.)

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    (Almoravid starting position, 1087 - in real life, Western Algeria was part of the Almoravid Caliphate)

    Medieval 2 Total War:

    (Moorish starting position 1080 - in real life, Southern Iberia did not become part of the Almoravid Caliphate until 1086)

    So what is the solution?
    Those Southern Iberian cities are rich.
    But let's think game-wise.
    Rebels don't build or recruit. What could prevent Castile or Portugal from conquering them sooner than the Almoravids?
    Nothing. There goes the Reconquista - already ready 300 years before in real life.
    There goes also the balance - the Moors limited to Morocco and Algeria only, rather weak. But in real life, Moors were strong.

    So.... any way to find the balance between realism and video game balance/playability?
    Any way to make find a balanced way, without too much immersion breaking?
    Last edited by Hakurei Reimu; 08-13-2013 at 23:28.

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    Default Re: Modder's debate - Moorish Starting position - the most ideal one for modders?

    I'd have to say other, I can't elaborate much now, but as soon as I get back, I will explain.
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    Default Re: Modder's debate - Moorish Starting position - the most ideal one for modders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanthefox View Post
    I'd have to say other, I can't elaborate much now, but as soon as I get back, I will explain.
    I'd say other because, I like things to be as historically accurate as can be allowed, but I also like things to be a little bit gamey so I am in between gamey and history. So maybe they can start out with all the territories of history, but also some of a more gamey type to make things balanced.
    Last edited by Ivanthefox; 08-14-2013 at 23:18.
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