So they will only sabotage and de-legitimize their own law? I mean I can totally see a homosexual medal winner openly kiss as a challenge in this case.Originally Posted by rvg
It's already some minor rumbling about this in the WC in Athletics atm.
Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
So they will only sabotage and de-legitimize their own law? I mean I can totally see a homosexual medal winner openly kiss as a challenge in this case.
It's already some minor rumbling about this in the WC in Athletics atm.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
Russia is notorious for selectively applying/enforcing her laws, forgetting about existing laws, inventing laws on the fly, retroactively applying new laws, etc. It's a complete mess, but it allows the Russian state to do whatever it wants, and what it wants in this particular case is success. Both in as a host and as a participant.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
It's a bully play, and a power play.
For those with no interest: Not a hill to die on
For those with an interest: I spent 4 stinkin' years getting ready for this! Do I really wanna...
Putin is playing to the home crowd; really could care less.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
The law is feeding mostly the same element that wants a Russia looking strong. They certainly won't be happy about it.
But I might be underestimate how much the Russian population accepts double messages or accepts pragmatism above rethoric.
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Putin doesn't give a crap about what the Russian population thinks. This is his Olympics, so it'll go without a hitch. If that means putting an idiotic law on hold, the idiotic law will be put on hold. Not officially of course. Russia may be full of frothing sheeple, but Putin ain't one of those. At this point all he cares about is prestige, his personal prestige. Successful trouble-free Olympics == prestige.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
Winter Olympics is dominated by EU particularly Northern Europe.
Scandinavian countries and Finland are the strongest per head of population.
So if any of those are serious about equal rights and anti-facist they should boycott the Winter Olympics.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
Winter Olympics is dominated by EU particularly Northern Europe.
Scandinavian countries and Finland are the strongest per head of population.
So if any of those are serious about equal rights and anti-facist they should boycott the Winter Olympics.
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
Putin can't lose.
Boycott confirms Russia as isolated and strengthens Putin's grip
Trouble-free Olympics burnishes Putins' prestige
He wins no matter how you slice it. Maybe you could have teams parade with the rainbow flag; Russia has to enforce the law leading to expelling or disqualifying nations, or quietly swallow and ignores the insult.
The IOC looks like jerks no matter what happens.
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Re: Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.
I see no reason for a boycot. I am not against gay-rights but that rainbow stuff is extremily annoying. It's not illegal to be gay in Russia, that there are a lot of incidents of gays getting attacked by idiots has nothing to do with the Olympic Games.
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Russia is already at a demographic disadvantage. Extreme amounts of alcoholism and a declining population does not really bode well for an aspiring global power. If they want to alienate LGBTs and create even more drain on their human resources that's fine.
Putin is not a dictator of an empire, he is a dictator of a bunch of resource rich land. Where would Russia be if the EU no longer needed its natural gas?
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