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    here is a link to an amalgamation of some stories which saves me tracking down all the links

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/08...russia-so-far/

    Unfortunately there are no links to the "corrective rape" stories from actual new sources - some quotes of gay right activists claiming it happens and Stephen Fry made a point of it to the BBC but no actual cases in the news - then again you wouldn't expect there to be since rape is under reported as is even over here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody View Post
    here is a link to an amalgamation of some stories which saves me tracking down all the links

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/08...russia-so-far/

    Unfortunately there are no links to the "corrective rape" stories from actual new sources - some quotes of gay right activists claiming it happens and Stephen Fry made a point of it to the BBC but no actual cases in the news - then again you wouldn't expect there to be since rape is under reported as is even over here
    So... there's a mention of one (1) murder and no corrective rapes. That's just an isolated incident, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    So... there's a mention of one (1) murder and no corrective rapes. That's just an isolated incident, nothing more.
    Sounds like you need to research the "Occupy Pedophilia"-group a bit.

    A linky: http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...llying/278294/
    Last edited by HoreTore; 08-16-2013 at 14:52.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Sounds like you need to research the "Occupy Pedophilia"-group a bit.
    I don't need to research anything. The evidence presented so far is rather wanting. One guy dead, a few guys beaten up by local drunks and a few people on the internet claiming how they're being repressed and of course the ever present Internet Tough Guys ready to rape pillage and burn...
    Yeah, perfect reasons for the athletes all over the world to cripple their sports careers over some unsubstantiated hearsay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    I don't need to research anything. The evidence presented so far is rather wanting. One guy dead, a few guys beaten up by local drunks and a few people on the internet claiming how they're being repressed and of course the ever present Internet Tough Guys ready to rape pillage and burn...
    Yeah, perfect reasons for the athletes all over the world to cripple their sports careers over some unsubstantiated hearsay.
    If you follow the first link in the link I provided, you'll get the VK-profile of a guy with plenty of videos depicting various forms of torture. Completely open, and none of them are prosecuted for their actions.

    If that's not a hostile enviroment, I'm not sure what your standards are. Is everything below Auswitchz a-okay?

    Another linky:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/wat...ens-video.html

    ....And one with english subtitles in this article:

    http://www.vocativ.com/07-2013/russi...ch-a-predator/
    Last edited by HoreTore; 08-16-2013 at 15:16.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    If you follow the first link in the link I provided, you'll get the VK-profile of a guy with plenty of videos depicting various forms of torture. Completely open, and none of them are prosecuted for their actions.
    I saw a few videos. So from the gist of it, these guys pose on the internet as underage boys and lure in sexual predators. Afterwards the predators are publicly exposed... Am I supposed to be outraged over this? Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    I saw a few videos. So from the gist of it, these guys pose on the internet as underage boys and lure in sexual predators. Afterwards the predators are publicly exposed... Am I supposed to be outraged over this? Seriously?
    Yeah, things are usually worth looking at a bit harder than just first impressions...

    This group has, like many christian groups, taken pedophilia as a synonym for homosexuality. The subtitled video features a 15-year old boy being abused.

    And look at the men featured in the videos. Do they look like they're middle-aged men or do they look like teenagers, or at best men in the very early 20's?

    I'd still say that this torture would be barbaric even if it was actual pedophiles, but this isn't about that at all.
    Last edited by HoreTore; 08-16-2013 at 15:39.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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