Russian Anti-gay laws and violence, and the Olympic (Winter) Games.

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Sounds like you need to research the "Occupy Pedophilia"-group a bit.

I don't need to research anything. The evidence presented so far is rather wanting. One guy dead, a few guys beaten up by local drunks and a few people on the internet claiming how they're being repressed and of course the ever present Internet Tough Guys ready to rape pillage and burn...
Yeah, perfect reasons for the athletes all over the world to cripple their sports careers over some unsubstantiated hearsay.

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I don't need to research anything. The evidence presented so far is rather wanting. One guy dead, a few guys beaten up by local drunks and a few people on the internet claiming how they're being repressed and of course the ever present Internet Tough Guys ready to rape pillage and burn...
Yeah, perfect reasons for the athletes all over the world to cripple their sports careers over some unsubstantiated hearsay.

If you follow the first link in the link I provided, you'll get the VK-profile of a guy with plenty of videos depicting various forms of torture. Completely open, and none of them are prosecuted for their actions.

If that's not a hostile enviroment, I'm not sure what your standards are. Is everything below Auswitchz a-okay?

Another linky:

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/wat...ens-video.html

....And one with english subtitles in this article:

http://www.vocativ.com/07-2013/russi...ch-a-predator/

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If you follow the first link in the link I provided, you'll get the VK-profile of a guy with plenty of videos depicting various forms of torture. Completely open, and none of them are prosecuted for their actions.

I saw a few videos. So from the gist of it, these guys pose on the internet as underage boys and lure in sexual predators. Afterwards the predators are publicly exposed... Am I supposed to be outraged over this? Seriously?

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I saw a few videos. So from the gist of it, these guys pose on the internet as underage boys and lure in sexual predators. Afterwards the predators are publicly exposed... Am I supposed to be outraged over this? Seriously?

Yeah, things are usually worth looking at a bit harder than just first impressions...

This group has, like many christian groups, taken pedophilia as a synonym for homosexuality. The subtitled video features a 15-year old boy being abused.

And look at the men featured in the videos. Do they look like they're middle-aged men or do they look like teenagers, or at best men in the very early 20's?

I'd still say that this torture would be barbaric even if it was actual pedophiles, but this isn't about that at all.

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Yeah, things are usually worth looking at a bit harder than just first impressions...
This group has, like many christian groups, taken pedophilia as a synonym for homosexuality. The subtitled video features a 15-year old boy being abused.

Christian? These guys are Nazis.

And look at the men featured in the videos. Do they look like they're middle-aged men or do they look like teenagers, or at best men in the very early 20's?

There was a video of them busting a guy who came on his "date" with a knife, a pistol, and a bag of weed.

I'd still say that this torture would be barbaric even if it was actual pedophiles, but this isn't about that at all.

There's something that people in the West need to understand about Russia: Russia is LAWLESS. I'm talking about 3rd world North-Western Frontier Province level of lawlessness. They at least try to keep an appearance of law in Moscow and Leningrad; everywhere else you're on your own. You are outraged about a gay guy being beaten up, but you don't have to be gay or muslim, or a foreigner to get in trouble. You can be beaten and/or killed for simply looking at a wrong guy the wrong way, for cutting someone off in traffic, for telling someone to behave properly, etc. etc.
There is no law in Russia. That's the real problem.

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I did not claim they are christian(notice the lack of the word "other" before the word "christian"?), I merely pointed out that they are making a claim that, in our western world, is usually done by christian groups.

The Russian orthodox group is a whole 'nother matter, and you often see priests marching with neo-nazis.

Russia is of course not a state with a functioning justice system or police force(I'm a commie, my knowledge of Russia is thus a bit more than just surface knowledge), and hate-gangs have found several different kinds of victims to beat up. The gays are far from alone in their situation.

Couple this with organized groups with stated victims to target, social media fame for theof stories of police and state behaviour going far beyond the normal Russian incompetence, and I feel perfectly justified in calling this utter barbarism.

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... I feel perfectly justified in calling this utter barbarism.

It's all relative. This would be barbaric within the framework of a properly functioning nation state. Russia is anything but that. So in the context of that situation these occurrences aren't barbaric, just bad.