Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
It's putting his offence in context, which the courts may or may not agree with.Originally Posted by Fragony
That he has broken the law is damn obvious, as honking isn't legal. He'll get his fine, as he should.
We're Scandinavians, not Italians. Making a fuss is frowned upon, and usually illegal.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
His offence, lol. Face it, this is a textbook example of islamphaelist dhimmitude. It would be absolutily unthinkable that the same would happen if he did it at a church, you know that, you might not say it, but you know it. There isn't any reasonability to be found whatsoever. Did the guys at the mosque even file a complaint or is it the sufficating social control that plagues the Swedish mindset. Must... be... correct...
Last edited by Fragony; 08-30-2013 at 14:56.
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
I don't have first hand experience with Sweden, but I remember how much it was stressed that honking is out of the question and very illegal when I took my drivers license.
It's for emergency use only. Everything else is illegal. We're not Italians. And yes, people actually do get fined for it. Due to its nature you're not very likely to get caught however, so in this instance I think it's safe to assume that the context made him pay.
The Norwegian law on honking says the following:
which translates to "Unnecessary or reckless use of sound or lightsignal is forbidden". I can't see why the Swedes would be any different, and the honking he did certainly counts as unnecessary.1. Unødig eller hensynsløs bruk av lyd- eller lyssignal er forbudt.
For a look at how regulated honking is, have a look at chapter 29 in this link. The entire thing is a specification of what the sound horn should be like.
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-30-2013 at 15:09.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
He isn't just charged with honking, he is charged for honking in front of a mosque, disrupting the prayer the Swedish dhimmi government so deeply admires. Different thing. A non-dhimmi would never charge him with the heaviest penalty the law has to offer. But it's Sweden.
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Stop reading GeenStijl
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Dhimmitude was coined by Bat Y'or. Islamphilia I made up myself. I don't need Geenstijl for a proper rant mia muca
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Come now, you're not going to tell me that most of your rhetoric isn't taken from that site. Only reaguurders use the term "Gutmensch." How utterly droll, not to mention tiring. I would love to see a sociological study of the GeenStijl team, and its readers. I venture the hypothesis (applicable to wider Dutch populism) that we're dealing here with a case of hysterical cultural insecurity, paradoxically aimed at society's cultural elite, which has taken hold among those just outside (but on the edge) of said elite.
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
They also use that term in Germany. Been done by the way, average reader is 30+, higher educated, and pretty well off. Geenstijl can in fact pride themselves on having the highest educated followers in the Netherlands. Maybe you read instead of reading about it, even grannies post there and have a blast doing it. I like the writing there but I am guarantied to laugh out loud because of something someone posts
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
HONK! oops, repeated that one. still trying to wrap my puny little mind around this concept.
What is the point of this? Making a fuss is illegal? Sounds Orwellian. I thought women in Iran had problems. You're whole country is? Is this in the real world?
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
There are certainly harsher laws. Racism and harassment comes to mind, perhaps a few others. They come with a probability of prison time, this guy is getting a fine. Back when I worked at a gas station, I saw several people fined for using their horn. You think they would fine someone for honking at a gas station, but not outside a mosque? What would be the sense in that?
But meh, do continue your crusade against "dhimmis" without understanding either the country or system in question, I don't really care.
The horn is for emergency use only(ie. alerting someone to an accident, and perhaps a few more things), and it's been that way since the car was introduced. Don't really know why, Scandinavian culture I guess. :shrugs:What is the point of this? Making a fuss is illegal? Sounds Orwellian. I thought women in Iran had problems. You're whole country is
Flashing your lights is also illegal btw, as well as using fog lights instead of driving lights, which is a rather common thing to get fined for.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Nice try me gusta but he isn't charged for using his horn, but for using his horn before a mosque. Entirily different charge.
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
May I introduce you to the term "escalation"?
Do it in a quiet neighborhood, and you'll be charged with disturbing the peace.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Hmmm....
I'm starting to think you're the victim of a hoax, Frags. I've googled the story, but I can't find any results at all in Swedish newspapers; the only results I get are from papers like the local and various anti-jihad sites. None of those give any sources for their information, except some referencing each other.
I also checked the usual suspects, swedish and norwegian not-nazi-at-all sites, and found absolutely nothing. I find it very hard to believe that the local rightwing nutjobs wouldn't be the among the first to latch on to this story, and the local gives the date a whole week ago(august 23rd).
There seems to be a woman named Christina Weilander who is related to the legal business, but all I found was that she authored an article in a law publication and answered a question on the website of an organization offering free legal advice.
Time to check your sources, eh?
EDIT: I did find an article about a police car being reported for honking though....
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-30-2013 at 18:50.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
According to the article:There are no residential properties in the immediate vicinity.
From my googling, I've read some comments that use of the horn is rare in Sweden, as Horetore assumed, but I can not concretely find whether the cause is purely norm-al or an actual traffic regulation.There are no residential properties in the immediate vicinity.
Here, all I could findwas this snippet, which seems to imply that horn usage is not that uncommon:
On the other hand:More than half of the drivers said that each year road users are honking their horns, gesturing their
hands or doing something similar to them.
Sources like this one mention nothing about honking.This report is based on 112 responses from the drivers of winter maintenance vehicles on state roads
in the operational areas that are managed by Svevia, Skanska, NCC and Peab. The questionnaire
consisted of 40 questions. Most of the drivers are working as subcontractors, often employed by
truck operators.
On these sites I couldn't really find any information on traffic regulations. Maybe the Swedish-language versions have that info?
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
The swedish law website was horrible to navigate(no wonder, they are inferior after all), but this is one of the Swedish honking laws:
Which translates to:64 § När det behövs för att förebygga eller avvärja fara, skall en förare ge ljud- eller ljussignaler eller på något annat lämpligt sätt väcka andra trafikanters uppmärksamhet.
Signaler får inte ges längre än nödvändigt.
"When it is necessary to prevent or avert danger, a driver shall give audible or visual signals, or in any other suitable way to bring other road users' attention.
Signals must not be longer than necessary."
There may be more, but the site is a pain to navigate, so I don't really feel like finding more... And at any rate, it seems more and more likely that this story was concocted by some idiot anyway.
EDIT: Apparently the Swedish government doesn't publish their laws in a searchable format on the web. The website lagen.nu(can't believe I didn't notice the .nu) isn't a government site and doesn't include all the laws. Never trust a Swede....
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-30-2013 at 19:14.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
I dunno. By the looks (or should I say, sound ?) of it the "disturbance" is a tacked-on charge, much like USA prosecutors are fond of doing -- throw everything at the court and see what sticks.
In any case Horetore is correct that the Scandinavians do not approve of honking for the heck of it; it's the driving equivalent of shouting "fire" in a theatre. This isn't unique to Scandinavia either (the Netherlands springs to mind).
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Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Sure no problem, escalation seems like a proper word to use more
Re: What can I say, it's Sweden
Got any proof this story is real, Frags?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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