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**fallen851** · 09-02-2013, 23:16

My point was not that the RTW 1 thread would suffice for RTW II... but that CA didn't listen to past problem/bug fix threads, so why bet they will now?

**ReluctantSamurai** · 09-02-2013, 23:22

And my point is not that you don't have the right to bitch about things you don't like, but that such discussions should be kept in their own thread (and out of most other discussions) so that anyone who wishes to can peruse to their hearts content.

**Vuk** · 09-03-2013, 00:42

Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

Dude.....that's about all you and several others do here. I, for one, am growing extremely weary of the constant nagging and nit-picking.

Yep....the game, and indeed the series, has many flaws and bugs. No question about it. Some are minor, some quite serious. But I don't need to be reminded all the time about how much eye-candy there is in the game; about path-finding bugs; about unit cohesion; blah-blah-blah

If you don't like the friggin' game, play something else....or offer your services to CA to help them correct the games' deficiencies.

Just please stop making every thread that gets posted into a rant about how crappy CA and their games are.

End of

P.S. If you would like a challenge from the AI; decent unit balance (with some very minor tweaking); epically long battles (some can go on for nearly two hours); and battlefields that actually require you to use tactics...........................play the original Shogun. Or better yet, play its' modded version Samurai Warlords. I guarantee you will be crying about the game for a much different reason

As one of the 'several others' you are referring to, I feel the need to respond to this. You find my dissatisfaction annoying? I find your blind optimism and willingness to overlook anything extremely annoying and a perfect example of the problems in the TW community. Do you see me ranting about it?
It is your right to blindly ignore everything and praise a flawed system, and it is mine to point out the flaws. Live and let live, eh?

Play something else? Like what? Nothing out there compares to TW games. It is because I love the series so much that I spend so much time complaining about the direction they are going. It is one of my three all time favorite franchises, and I desperately do not want to see it ruined. The more dissatisfaction CA sees on the forums, the more likely they will be to do something about it.

If you disagree with us and are completely happy with where the franchise is going, then freely voice that opinion, but do not criticize us for voicing ours. It reeks of arrogance.

Originally Posted by fallen851

The pursuit of excellence is one of the few things in this world you can't denounce from any angle. And this criticism was written voluntarily and given freely.

We all want TW to be the best ReluctantSamurai, and you don't get there by apologizing for or ignoring the core issues the game has had for a long time.

I never said their games were crappy, in fact I said:

But then I listed the issues that keeps Total War games from getting higher scores with objective review websites, like PC Gamer. 85% is good, and RTW II I'm sure is a good game. But it isn't up to par with Half Life, or Civilization II, and it could be, if CA focused on fixing the issues I listed.

The more we discuss and "complain" about such issues, the higher the likelihood CA will fix them. They've ignored many attempts in the past to fix their games, despite significant community help:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...1-5&highlight=

And 1.5 was the last patch for RTW.

So in the end, this is our way of telling CA that maybe they should commit more resources to the "boring" stuff, like coding and AI, and less resources to fancy graphics.

Exactly what this man here said.

Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

And my point is not that you don't have the right to bitch about things you don't like, but that such discussions should be kept in their own thread (and out of most other discussions) so that anyone who wishes to can peruse to their hearts content.

Really? Says who? You have never complained about anything in a thread that was not specifically dedicated to complaints? I have a feeling that if I spent 10 minutes looking through your old posts I would find out that is not true. Should we also adopt a rule that you can only praise things in threads set up specifically for encouragement. When there is a thread on a game, it is perfectly legitimate to criticize it and to praise it. I fail to see how you harassing and bullying other posters and telling them that they have no rights to express their opinion helps the discussion in any way.
Like I said earlier: live and let live, eh?

**ReluctantSamurai** · 09-03-2013, 01:08

You find my dissatisfaction annoying?

I find the repetitiveness annoying. As I said, I agree with some of the points you raise....I just don't need to be reminded of them in every other thread.

It is your right to blindly ignore everything and praise a flawed system, and it is mine to point out the flaws.

I do nothing of the sort and have plainly stated what I think are flaws in the TW games that I play.

You have never complained about anything in a thread that was not specifically dedicated to complaints? I have a feeling that if I spent 10 minutes looking through your old posts I would find out that is not true.

What you would find is that I say what I have to say and move on. Perhaps an additional post or two to clarify or to elaborate on how I would do something, but I don't make it a crusade.

I fail to see how you harassing and bullying other posters and telling them that they have no rights to express their opinion helps the discussion in any way.

If you feel harassed or bullied....nothing I can do about that. It's not my intention. And I have never said that folks have no right to express their opinions. Now THAT would be arrogance. Just state your take and move on....

Speaking of moving on....can we please move along with this thread?

**ReluctantSamurai** · 09-03-2013, 01:17

but also leaving features behind from pre 3-d map age

The 3D map is precisely the source of many of the problems with TW games. The AI was never upgraded to the point of being able to cope with it, and playtesting is never thorough enough to eliminate such things as pathfinding problems (many of which could be fixed by reconfiguring the area that is causing the problems; or the 'edge of the world' syndrome (where a faction army drives a rebel stack to the outside edge of the map and then just stares at it for the rest of the game); and many others.

I, for one, do not have the need for a 3D campaign map (as cool as they might look) if it means a degradation of gameplay (which is exactly the reason I can still enjoy Shogun 1).

**Vuk** · 09-03-2013, 01:22

I'm cool with the 3-d map. To me bugs in battles are more troublesome than on the campaign map.

**Lemur** · 09-03-2013, 01:30

I think divvying up posters into CA whiners v. CA defenders isn't real helpful.

On the other hand, I do think making grand, sweeping statements about a game none of us have played in release build shows a trollish level of hubris.

**quadalpha** · 09-03-2013, 02:23

Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

The 3D map is precisely the source of many of the problems with TW games. The AI was never upgraded to the point of being able to cope with it, and playtesting is never thorough enough to eliminate such things as pathfinding problems (many of which could be fixed by reconfiguring the area that is causing the problems; or the 'edge of the world' syndrome (where a faction army drives a rebel stack to the outside edge of the map and then just stares at it for the rest of the game); and many others.

I, for one, do not have the need for a 3D campaign map (as cool as they might look) if it means a degradation of gameplay (which is exactly the reason I can still enjoy Shogun 1).

Yes. I find, as well, that the 3d map is a misstep in terms of immersion and Being-there. Remember how at the edge of the STW and MTW map, you see the table the map is set on? There is no way that any pre-modern (or even before the past half century, really) commander at a strategic level would be able to know where his armies were to the precision shown on the 3d map. All these things CA have been trying to do for immersion and character (the gimmicks, facial animations, ever prettier graphics ...) do not make up for the gameyness introduced by the change in perspective. On the one hand, it shows that maybe the designers on RTW were dazzled by the possibilities of a 3d map and simply did not think through the consequences, and now there's no way they can climb back, especially as TW along with Sports Interactive (Football Manager) are the only two consistently profitable franchises Sega has. And on the other hand, I'm not sure if that fact actually bothers anyone at CA any more. In short, we should probably enjoy the new TW games as much as we can, and hope for another franchise/developer to carry on the potential of the early TW games.

**Vuk** · 09-03-2013, 03:16

There is no one to carry on that potential unfortunately. I think that CA is our last best hope. Hopefully they will get back on the straight and narrow soon.

**CaptainCrunch** · 09-03-2013, 03:20

Originally Posted by quadalpha

... In short, we should probably enjoy the new TW games as much as we can, and hope for another franchise/developer to carry on the potential of the early TW games.

CA just need to release proper modding tools to the community whenever they feel they've milked the DLC machine as much as possible. From that point forward we will see what the game's true potential is.