Civil War Trigger

**easytarget** · 09-30-2013, 01:30

Yeah, right now I find that and my inability to establish trade with 20 factions very annoying. To secure every victory condition and still be faced with the inability to win the campaign is beyond annoying. I've offered factions 3-400k for trade and been turned down flat. That's insane. In fact, just so we're clear about just how utterly retarded this component of the game is, there aren't 20 factions in the entire world i can trade with at this point even if they were willing to trade.

So, now I'm stuck I guess switching to military or cultural to finish.

**Slaists** · 10-03-2013, 15:05

To the OP: What was your Imperium? The civil war likelihood seems to be tied to imperium too. The higher the imperium the more likely the CW is. In my campaigns it almost always triggers once I reach the 3rd Imperium level.

Originally Posted by easytarget

Yeah, right now I find that and my inability to establish trade with 20 factions very annoying. To secure every victory condition and still be faced with the inability to win the campaign is beyond annoying. I've offered factions 3-400k for trade and been turned down flat. That's insane. In fact, just so we're clear about just how utterly retarded this component of the game is, there aren't 20 factions in the entire world i can trade with at this point even if they were willing to trade.

So, now I'm stuck I guess switching to military or cultural to finish.

Should have made vassals, not outright conquered everyone. Even if at the start vassals refuse trade, they tend to come back and offer it later (for free, mind you).

**easytarget** · 10-04-2013, 00:19

And vassals, or as they are called now, client states, are not inclined to trade with you any more than anyone else is. Another design flaw in my opinion. In S2 if you asked it defaulted to yes, as it should be, no client state should have the right to extort money or outright refuse trade with the parent who could just obliterate you off the face of the earth for your impertinent jackal like behavior, which is exactly what I did every time it came up.

This game is so broken in a lot of small ways like this and suffers the death of a thousand cuts as a result to immersion and enjoyment. If this had followed empire I would have expected, following Shogun 2, I'm insulted.

**Slaists** · 10-04-2013, 15:56

Originally Posted by easytarget

And vassals, or as they are called now, client states, are not inclined to trade with you any more than anyone else is. Another design flaw in my opinion. In S2 if you asked it defaulted to yes, as it should be, no client state should have the right to extort money or outright refuse trade with the parent who could just obliterate you off the face of the earth for your impertinent jackal like behavior, which is exactly what I did every time it came up.

This game is so broken in a lot of small ways like this and suffers the death of a thousand cuts as a result to immersion and enjoyment. If this had followed empire I would have expected, following Shogun 2, I'm insulted.

Give the vassals some time to "cool their head". They tend to come back and offer the trade themselves after a few turns.

**easytarget** · 10-04-2013, 23:36

Yeah, occasionally they come back. Point is there should never, and I do mean never, be a situation in any TW game where the amount you are being requested to pay your client state to trade with you is 100x what that trade will net in return over the life of the campaign. Not only did this happen to me, it happened A LOT. And by mid to late game I didn't have 20 factions capable of trading with me in total left in the campaign, even if they all agreed to it, it was physically impossible to obtain an economic victory.

That's a sanity test as to whether you are playing a broken game mechanic, and for my money, both examples above are proof this game was not play tested properly.

**Sp4** · 10-05-2013, 06:56

Well, they patched it, now everyone trades with you, kind of like it was in Rome 1/M2, where the minute a diplomat got anywhere near another faction's stuff, the questions for trade agreements went out.

**easytarget** · 10-05-2013, 19:13

Originally Posted by Sp4

Well, they patched it, now everyone trades with you, kind of like it was in Rome 1/M2, where the minute a diplomat got anywhere near another faction's stuff, the questions for trade agreements went out.

Yeah, why drive down the middle of the road when you can just go from one guardrail to the other.

**Slaists** · 10-05-2013, 14:58

Originally Posted by easytarget

Yeah, occasionally they come back. Point is there should never, and I do mean never, be a situation in any TW game where the amount you are being requested to pay your client state to trade with you is 100x what that trade will net in return over the life of the campaign. Not only did this happen to me, it happened A LOT. And by mid to late game I didn't have 20 factions capable of trading with me in total left in the campaign, even if they all agreed to it, it was physically impossible to obtain an economic victory.

That's a sanity test as to whether you are playing a broken game mechanic, and for my money, both examples above are proof this game was not play tested properly.

Now, in patch 4 beta, if they come to you asking for money in exchange for trade, non-aggression: just reverse the offer. Ask THEM for money for the same thing. In many cases they agree. This is on VH campaign difficulty.