The rest of the world thinks you're silly

[Husar]

Better to be great and overrated than to be a country that is only considered important in recent history because of the incredible evil of one of its maniacal rulers. You blondies loved to whine about Bush, ignoring the fact that you come from Godwin-stan. You love to try to undermine the importance of the US, meanwhile you have just about enough military power to conquer a rabbit den. You love to talk about how oppressive our culture and government is, meanwhile your police force is 1 billion times larger, better trained, better equipped, and more capable than you laughable, cigarette smoking, beer drinking military.
You have been invaded by Mongols, French (even the French...shame on you), Russians, and Americans in war, yet you think yourselves some kind of super humans. Wanna talk about overrating oneself?
So tell me honestly, why should an American care if a bunch of stereotypes which would make bigot blush country think we are overrated?

Don't worry Vuk, I saw your post without the edits and was so shocked and insulted that I forgot to reply to it.

To get to the meat of the issue, our armies are not capable because we think invading is mostly a medieval practice and because Europe has grown together so much that we'd defend eachother anyway. This is also the problem with the invasions you mention since they were mostly more like conquering campaigns that ultimately failed before the war was really over. Some of them even failed because Europeans even back then stood together and helped eachother because they realized that it's beneficial for all Europeans. Compare it to how you want all your 50 states to be different here and there, yet stand together as a nation towards the outside.

As for your lack of caring, that's a long reply with quite a bunch of silly insults for someone who does not care. I do care about America or I would not argue about how to improve America. But then compassion is not part of the American psyche or part of spreading freedom and democracy I learned.

Trying to mke me blush by mentioning Hitler is always great comedy, assuming that Germany today is in any way like Hitler's Germany or had not improved at all in a moral sense is simply hilarious. Especially from a country that reinvented the concentration camp for undesirables whose human rights it declared null and void (gitmo in case you're wondering).

I know I am gonna get an infraction for this one, but I'll guarantee it; some times you just gotta tell it how it is. I'll regret it when I am sober.

Nighty-night Hans.

I know how it is, the difference is that moral standards only seem to be of concern for you when you can point to Hitler and 9/11 but when US policies are concerned it's all about "might is right and awesoooooome!". At least Brenus is able to see how french colonial power phantasies and victories are in conflict with his moral compass and the things he wishes for in a modern world.

I hope you slept well Joe.

[Brenus]

Well, all is the problem lays there. Most of the Glory earned by the French and recognised as such by idiots is Military. France crushed a lot of Countries (and was crushed, but I speak of Glory), in Europe and Outside, and a lot of time it was to rule and conquer, for minerals, cheap labour and profits.

Yeah yeah, we told ourselves it was to free the slaves, protect the minorities or spread democracy but the results were occupations, racism and the bloody Columns…

The problem is in the fact that Camerone, the legendary battle of the Foreign Legion was done during the Campaign of Mexico (done to oblige Mexico to pay the debts of the previous government), and that Dien Bien Phu was the last battle of a Colonial Power to keep a land under submission. This does not erase the courage of the soldiers who fought the battles, but it brings a question about why are we proud of it?

I could easily make the list of all glorious battles and wars won by France. I could easily make a list of France glorious lost battles and wars. The ones like Gelatinous Cube (nothing personal, just example) will jump on the last and ignore the first. It is a choice, not entirely, but a choice based on prejudice and ignorance.

"If only French men could change a nappy they would be one step closer to perfect." Pff... I manage it with skill and ease.

[Vuk]

Don't worry Vuk, I saw your post without the edits and was so shocked and insulted that I forgot to reply to it.

Sorry if I was a little too honest for you.

To get to the meat of the issue, our armies are not capable because we think invading is mostly a medieval practice and because Europe has grown together so much that we'd defend eachother anyway. This is also the problem with the invasions you mention since they were mostly more like conquering campaigns that ultimately failed before the war was really over. Some of them even failed because Europeans even back then stood together and helped eachother because they realized that it's beneficial for all Europeans. Compare it to how you want all your 50 states to be different here and there, yet stand together as a nation towards the outside.

At least when you were Nazis you had balls. I am not sure which is worse. Read what you wrote above and you will see exactly why Germany is nothing and will never be anything till they get a serious attitude change.

Trying to mke me blush by mentioning Hitler is always great comedy, assuming that Germany today is in any way like Hitler's Germany or had not improved at all in a moral sense is simply hilarious. Especially from a country that reinvented the concentration camp for undesirables whose human rights it declared null and void (gitmo in case you're wondering).

Concentration camp? I take it that English must be your second or third language, because you obviously have no idea what the phrase 'concentration camp' means.

I know how it is, the difference is that moral standards only seem to be of concern for you when you can point to Hitler and 9/11 but when US policies are concerned it's all about "might is right and awesoooooome!". At least Brenus is able to see how french colonial power phantasies and victories are in conflict with his moral compass and the things he wishes for in a modern world.

On the contrary, I recognize when America has been in the wrong and fully condemn those actions (Abandoning our allies in Vietnam, failure to support the revolution in Hungary we pledged to support, getting involved in the Bosnian War, etc, etc. I fully admit that not everything we have done has been good, but in the balance we have done far more good for the world than bad. What has Germany done in the last two centuries other than massacre and torture people, build crappy little cars, and get crap-faced drunk constantly?

I hope you slept well Joe.

Like a baby.

[Husar]

Sorry if I was a little too honest for you.

I'm still crying.

At least when you were Nazis you had balls. I am not sure which is worse. Read what you wrote above and you will see exactly why Germany is nothing and will never be anything till they get a serious attitude change.

Exactly, I think everyone can agree with that.

Concentration camp? I take it that English must be your second or third language, because you obviously have no idea what the phrase 'concentration camp' means.

A camp where you concentrate terrorists instead of sending them to proper prisons and giving them a fair trial.
Also the german flag in my signature is there to show that English is my first language.

On the contrary, I recognize when America has been in the wrong and fully condemn those actions (Abandoning our allies in Vietnam, failure to support the revolution in Hungary we pledged to support, getting involved in the Bosnian War, etc, etc. I fully admit that not everything we have done has been good, but in the balance we have done far more good for the world than bad. What has Germany done in the last two centuries other than massacre and torture people, build crappy little cars, and get crap-faced drunk constantly?

There's really nothing we have done because only wars count for you. I wonder why you even care about healthcare since it's not called the 'war on sickness'.

Like a baby.

How apt, you deserve it.


To get back to the topic, do you think Americans who are abducted by pirates and rescued by the US military should get the bill afterwards or is this kind of socialized caring for their health okay for you and why? Couldn't they get a private travel insurance that will then make sure to get them out of captivity?

[Vuk]

To get back to the topic, do you think Americans who are abducted by pirates and rescued by the US military should get the bill afterwards or is this kind of socialized caring for their health okay for you and why? Couldn't they get a private travel insurance that will then make sure to get them out of captivity?

They already do pay for it through their taxes. Levying taxes for a military is defined in the Constitution as one of the legitimate powers of government. I don't remember our founders saying that a legitimate role of government was to force people to buy a service they may or may not want. Maybe I just have to read that again.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

They already do pay for it through their taxes. Levying taxes for a military is defined in the Constitution as one of the legitimate powers of government. I don't remember our founders saying that a legitimate role of government was to force people to buy a service they may or may not want. Maybe I just have to read that again.

The SCOTUS has upheld it as a legitimate form of taxation which, pursuant to the 16th amendment, no longer needs to be apportioned among and collected by the states but may be levied on an individual basis directly by the federal government.

Of course, the 16th was adopted without too much trouble since it was made known that it would only be for the purpose of levying a 1% income tax on America's highest wage earners. Which is all it did.....at first.

[Myth]

How can one say that Germany is nothing? This is absurd. Even after being torn to bits by the allies and russians in WWII it is still the beating heart of Europe economics wise. It is THE country to talk about when we are talking manufacturuing. German cars and industrial machines are a staple for quality, not American ones.

Germany was divided, a lot of intellectuals and scientists were moved to either the USSR or the USA. Most of the inventions claimed to be done by the USA are actually done by European (and mostly German) scientists.

That Germany waged sucessfull war in WWII versus so many opponents is a feat of military prowess which the USA has not even come close to matching. All your wars were versus two-bit third world countries. And even then you sometimes got your arses handed to you (Veitnam). In fact, if Hitler had not spared the British troops the war might have been a tad bit harder, especially since the USA and Canadian navies suffered heavy losses to German submarines.

It is also a fact that the heavy lifting in WWII was done by Soviet troops, and the fall of the Wehrmacht was due mainly to lack of minerals and fuel to resupply the armoured corps and Luftwaffe. Is their modern army not up to the same standard? Probably. But they have they industrial capabilty and the discipline to get back at it if they WANTED to. But warmongering and stealing resources is left to other powers...

How can a country which has FEMA camps, Detroit, inbred hillbillies, a moronic "2 of the same" party system and children's beauty pagents think itself the best thing to grace God's earth after sunlight and fertile soil? Wait, you grace the soil with Monsanto's poisonous GM crops and give yourselves cancer. I guess that qualifies you.

What about your economy then?

USA GDP - Mar 31, 2013 13.75 trillion

And here is your debt, which is a figure I can't even prononunce.

Some econonomy...

[Husar]

USA GDP - Mar 31, 2013 13.75 trillion

And here is your debt, which is a figure I can't even prononunce.

Some econonomy...

The debt is 16 billion if you use a proper system of counting.

Using the anglo system it's 16 trillion, so a bit higher than their GDP, about two months' wages for the average hard-working burger flipper.
All the money was spent winning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan though, so it was absolutely worth it since Bush was also better than Obama because he bailed out the banks.

[Vuk]

There's really nothing we have done because only wars count for you. I wonder why you even care about healthcare since it's not called the 'war on sickness'.

Nah, I care about things other than wars, but I will play along. Germany has waged many successful wars, such as its 'war on religion', its 'war on freedom', its 'war on privacy', and its 'war on decency'. When it comes to those things, you guys are conquering heroes.

How apt, you deserve it.

Of course. Good work brings good rest. You should look into it.

[Montmorency]

don't remember our founders saying that a legitimate role of government was to force people to buy a service they may or may not want. Maybe I just have to read that again.

By the same token, "rescuing people from pirates" is not one of the roles of the military as explicitly outlined in the Constitution!

Also

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Oops!

[Husar]

They already do pay for it through their taxes. Levying taxes for a military is defined in the Constitution as one of the legitimate powers of government. I don't remember our founders saying that a legitimate role of government was to force people to buy a service they may or may not want. Maybe I just have to read that again.

As Montmorency says, rescuing people from pirates near Somalia is not what the military is there for, this stuff costs extra and they're not sent there by the US government.

Nah, I care about things other than wars, but I will play along. Germany has waged many successful wars, such as its 'war on religion', its 'war on freedom', its 'war on privacy', and its 'war on decency'. When it comes to those things, you guys are conquering heroes.

Except for the war on religion you might want to explain those a bit more. Especially the second one I do not get considering our privacy protection laws are much stricter than those in the USA and the NSA is not exactly a German institution.