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**Montmorency** · 10-08-2013, 06:28

You are no better than those you denigrate, PJ - remember that.

**Fragony** · 10-08-2013, 06:44

Originally Posted by Montmorency

You are no better than those you denigrate, PJ - remember that.

Someone who has made every effort to be a benifit to society not better than a wellfare-tourist? Welfare tourists cost 8 billion a year here. Wellfare fraud goes on top of that but I got no exact numbers on that one, but it's a lot. And let's not even start about the rediculous overpresentation in the crime statistics.

**Montmorency** · 10-08-2013, 07:22

The very first fallacy is that an immigrant - let alone a short-term immigrant - is a "welfare immigrant" and "scum of the Earth" if they don't abandon their entire history and culture and try to imitate the white residents of their locality to a T.

The second fallacy is that if an immigrant arrives to satisfy the predatory demand of employers for ever-cheaper labor, and works their butt off in poor conditions and with relatively little access to state protections or amenities, they are "welfare immigrants" and "scum of the earth" for daring to attempt to support their families with their meager income.

The third fallacy is specific to the Greek case, and it is that most of the long-term immigrants to/in Greece, whether documented or not, are "from the Third-World", and not from neighboring Southeastern European countries.

Ethnocentrism based on rational cost-benefit analysis is one thing, but a delusional ethnocentrism built upon hatred, arrogant self-importance, and misconception is a purely despicable thing.

**Fragony** · 10-08-2013, 07:54

Ah sure, no such thing as wellfare tourism, it just isn't there, it's all rainbows and unicorns.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 10-08-2013, 13:53

Originally Posted by Fragony

Ah sure, no such thing as wellfare tourism, it just isn't there, it's all rainbows and unicorns.

People aren't welfare touring Greece at the moment, though, are they? Welfare tourism does exist (here), but simply not in any numbers to make a dent in the budget compared to the amounts being spent on the usual shambles, say, the JSF. It's all about scale.

**Fragony** · 10-08-2013, 14:12

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

People aren't welfare touring Greece at the moment, though, are they? Welfare tourism does exist (here), but simply not in any numbers to make a dent in the budget compared to the amounts being spent on the usual shambles, say, the JSF. It's all about scale.

You kidding me. We could buy over 350 JSF and build a carrier to put them on. In a single year.