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[HoreTore]

Hi HoreTore -

Please educate yourself on the subject before issuing lectures on it.

I would suggest you do the same, starting with learning the difference between an asylum applicant and an illegal immigrant.

[Fragony]

You could've been more clear about what kind of people you're talking about, basically only the illegal immigrants who are also up to no good.
It's still delusional to think that Europeans are somehow in favor of them or okay with them. Police here tell us openly that there are roaming bands of criminals from Eastern Europe that break into peoples' apartements and they are being hunted and prosecuted and I haven't heard a single lefty say that they should be left alone.

Political correctness has a hierarchy, wait untill the police says that it are mostly Roma's who steal everything they can carry and lefties will go for your eyes.

[Husar]

Political correctness has a hierarchy, wait untill the police says that it are mostly Roma's who steal everything they can carry and lefties will go for your eyes.

That's pretty much what they say and I haven't heard any lefties disagree. In fact there are a whole lot of people who say the Roma steal a lot. Apparently they used false/stolen credit cards to buy cigarettes at my previous workplace. One day my boss suddenly had a lot of paper saying all the transactions were fraudulent.

I have no problem with sending the heavily criminal immigrants back, I only have a problem when people just want to send all immigrants back because of some bad apples.

[Fragony]

That's pretty much what they say and I haven't heard any lefties disagree. In fact there are a whole lot of people who say the Roma steal a lot. Apparently they used false/stolen credit cards to buy cigarettes at my previous workplace. One day my boss suddenly had a lot of paper saying all the transactions were fraudulent.

I have no problem with sending the heavily criminal immigrants back, I only have a problem when people just want to send all immigrants back because of some bad apples.

Maybe we can send those who say that with them. But if the police would warn for Roma's specifically, what is entirely justified, the machine kicks into gear, A CAUSE, A CAUSE, my sanity for a cause (instant Shakespear syndrome, rewritten). People shouldn't look away from obvious problems, almost all Roma's come here to steal & beg and it's organised. We aren't as sensitive about just saying as it is, but in (naturally) Sweden there is outrage because the police keeps a list of Roma's. Outrage! How dare they! It's not xenophobia it's just acknowledging a problem. Ever hear someone complaining about Asians or Hindi?

[Husar]

Maybe we can send those who say that with them. But if the police would warn for Roma's specifically, what is entirely justified, the machine kicks into gear, A CAUSE, A CAUSE, my sanity for a cause (instant Shakespear syndrome, rewritten). People shouldn't look away from obvious problems, almost all Roma's come here to steal & beg and it's organised. We aren't as sensitive about just saying as it is, but in (naturally) Sweden there is outrage because the police keeps a list of Roma's. Outrage! How dare they! It's not xenophobia it's just acknowledging a problem. Ever hear someone complaining about Asians or Hindi?

Asians are too good at maths and Hindi all smell.

But seriously, I think the difference is that the Roma have no country of their own and are not welcome in the countries they live in. So for generations upon genrations they have learned to take what they can get to survive and not to respect the law of the land because the law of the land does not respect them (that's my best guess anyway). That doesn't make their criminal activities okay but shuffling them around between countries is not a solution either.

[Fragony]

Asians are too good at maths and Hindi all smell.

But seriously, I think the difference is that the Roma have no country of their own and are not welcome in the countries they live in. So for generations upon genrations they have learned to take what they can get to survive and not to respect the law of the land because the law of the land does not respect them (that's my best guess anyway). That doesn't make their criminal activities okay but shuffling them around between countries is not a solution either.

Congratulations it's an idiot! ;)

It's organised mia muca, these beggars are picked up with a fat Mercedes when their shift is over, these sick kids are drugged up to their eyeballs, these missing limbs are amputated. Do you know how their overlords live in eastern-europe, very very nice

[HoreTore]

Congratulations it's an idiot! ;)

It's organised mia muca, these beggars are picked up with a fat Mercedes when their shift is over, these sick kids are drugged up to their eyeballs, these limbs are amputeted. Do you know how their overlords live in eastern-europe, very very nice

Yeah, screw drugs, there's more money in change!!

Honestly people....

I'm not sure if its worth bothering with facts here, but anyway: "the overlord" is the local moneylender, who takes a rather high interest since he's not an official bankier.

Also, Balts and Poles have always faetured in the theft-statistic, it's hardly a Roma-only problem(who tend to do more shoplifting stuff, while the balts break into cabins).

[Husar]

Congratulations it's an idiot! ;)

It's organised mia muca, these beggars are picked up with a fat Mercedes when their shift is over, these sick kids are drugged up to their eyeballs, these limbs are amputeted. Do you know how their overlords live in eastern-europe, very very nice

Congratulations, it's a Nazi! ;)

They want to genocide everybody without blue eyes and blonde hair, they're dangerous, already murdered a lot of people and their bosses are vicious criminals who live a very good life, why don't you know that?

[Fragony]

Yeah, screw drugs, there's more money in change!!

Honestly people....

I'm not sure if its worth bothering with facts here, but anyway: "the overlord" is the local moneylender, who takes a rather high interest since he's not an official bankier.

But of course Horrie http://kukoncik.com/bizarre/new-arch...y-castles.html

I will never accuse them of having any taste though gypsy castles < google

[HoreTore]

But of course Horrie http://kukoncik.com/bizarre/new-arch...y-castles.html

I will never accuse them of having any taste though gypsy castles < google

Are you under the impression that nobody is aware that there are people with money in areas without money....? What's next, photos of a black man in harlem with bling?

[Fragony]

Are you under the impression that nobody is aware that there are people with money in areas without money....? What's next, photos of a black man in harlem with bling?

lol Horrie, maybe Edyzmedieval can fill you in he's from romania. Those are headquarters of criminal gangs. They even pimp it, yo

[HoreTore]

lol Horrie, maybe Edyzmedieval can fill you in he's from romania. Those are headquarters of criminal gangs. They even pimp it, yo

Again, how is this supposed to surprise anyone?

Where do you think the black guy in harlem got his three tons of bling from anyway? Trading stocks at wall street?

[Fragony]

Again, how is this supposed to surprise anyone?

Twice needs a first to exist, 'again' 'what' exactly

[Beskar]

I know this maybe a revolutionary concept, but there is a difference between Legal and Illegal immigration.

Legal immigration usually consists of stringent measures ensuring eligibility for working in the nation and possessing the funds able to house, food and cloth yourself, so you do not depend on the state, you usually pay more tax/social security ontop and have limited benefits. Panzer's family would have been legal immigrants to the USA. Apart from some strains of hyper-nationalism, usually used by immigrants/first-generation to make themselves more-native than natives as they feel they have to, to fit in, I am sure he is a well adjusted individual and helps his community just like the others.

Illegal immigration is a different kettle of fish. It is generally dirt-poor individuals who don't have a penny to their name and they are constantly 'on the run' from the legal authorities. They do not have entitlements and only receive the bare minimum of the system which is below satisfactory. They have to resort to crime for money and food, which on the grander scope they are already committing crime by being in the country, these petty crimes are nothing. There are often others found in slave-like conditions and some of these are illegally trafficked into the host nation, so they cannot free themselves from horrible conditions.

So straight away we have two groups of people being discussed and getting lumped together. Three, if you include the Human Trafficking element which people who legally reside in host nations inflict upon vulnerable people.

The big thing with Golden Dawn and its kin, and even whilst reading the topic, people seem to 'miss the difference'. So forgive me for mentioning you again, Panzer, but Golden Dawn wouldn't make an exception for you, because you are not a 'true Greek' and by that, generations of Greek blood, even if you were a model member of society. Such as some people misguidedly believe 'Black' 'Latino's' and others cannot be 'true Americans' even when they are model members of their society and maybe even 7th generation.

[Fragony]

Golden Dawn is scum, no question. But did you wonder why they exist. What lefits intellecuals will neverunderstand isthat they simply don't get things very well.

Say thing with poetry, better than just hitting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

[Husar]

Sometimes I think you are a bot who posts the same random things again and again regardless of the curse of the discussion.

Please show me these leftists who think gypsy crimes are okay and should be tolerated or whatever you accuse them of doing.
Also what do leftist intellectuals have to do with the existence of Golden Dawn? Are you saying if we deport all immigrants we won't have Nazis anymore? By that logic everybody could have surrendered to the Romans so there wouldn't be war anymore.

[Fragony]

Are you mad? That saying is in reference to racist Nazis in the first place. People like golden dawn lol

No tell me it isn't so

[Kralizec]

Roma, leftists and whatnot

Indeed, leftists are soft on Roma criminals. Just look at France, where those bloody leftists stopped the deportation of Roma the moment that Hollande got elected.

...yeah.

[Fragony]

Indeed, leftists are soft on Roma criminals. Just look at France, where those bloody leftists stopped the deportation of Roma the moment that Hollande got elected.

...yeah.

Gotta hate competition.

But I think that it was under Sarkozy that France starting taking this route, i don't think it comes from that onion Hollande but I am not sure of that

[HoreTore]

Gotta hate competition.

But I think that it was under Sarkozy that France starting taking this route, i don't think it comes from that onion Hollande but I am not sure of that

Honestly frags, do you ever start to check the basic facts of a case?

Yes, it was Sarky who started deportations, as anyone with half a brain knows.

[Fragony]

Honestly frags, do you ever start to check the basic facts of a case?

Yes, it was Sarky who started deportations, as anyone with half a brain knows.

My half of a brain was correct then no? No I don't check things, if I am wrong I just suffer it when corrected. But I wasn't wrong was I. Sarky started it, Hollande keeps doing it. One of the two is a total hypocrite.

[Brenus]

Only Foreigners still believe that Holland is a Socialist or a Lefty...
He was elected pretending being one, making promises to do a left orientated program but he is worst rightist than Sarkozy. All his political and economical actions are more rightist than Sarkozy. Ok, he doesn't act like a Lunatic as Sarkozy did...
Total, last local election, 64 % abstention, extreme-Right go to vote and got 40 % of the vote. So, Media, lap-dog of the Big Parties, started their hymn to the "Republican" vote against the menace of the Front National. Sorry, I will not vote for the them. The Extreme-Right Party is the guard dog of the system, and we, lefties fall in the trap each time. Not this time, not this time. I will not be hostage of their politic because the 2 main parties and their affiliates the Media play the extreme-right to gather the sheep and frighten them to get the vote.

[Fragony]

Got anything more for me, that sounds interesting

[Andres]

It would be a huge mistake to think that Golden Dawn is Greece's biggest problem.

This year, universities don't have enough funding to keep their doors open.

That means that next year, there will be no engineers, teachers, lawyers, scientists, doctors etc. graduating.

This also implies, that you have a big young and intelligent group of people who are very angry (minus the rich kids who will go study abroad).

For every Golden Dawn you oppress, there will be a Silver, Platinum and Diamond Dawn rising, each with different ideologies, but all of them representing desperate people.

Add to that the fact that Greece has bought a lot of war material, instigated by France and Germany, btw and the fact that Greece has already known military dictatorship and that there are undoubtedly still left overs from that in positions of power.

If the troika continues its' madness, we may very well see civil war in Greece. Unless they get the idea to use their newly acquired and modern weapons against Turkey or, why not, Europe.

The hysteria around Golden Dawn is smoke and mirrors to distract attention for the underlying problems the country is facing.

This will not end well and I think we may very well see war on our continent once again.

[Husar]

It's about time, before we became pussies we had a lot more wars in sixty years. At least Vuk will be proud of us.

What should the Troika do anyway? I can see how what they do now is seen as madness but which alternative is actually better? Greece seems like a black hole for money so throwing more at it does not look like a solution to me.

[Montmorency]

Nationalize Greece - by force of arms, if necessary.

[Andres]

It's about time, before we became pussies we had a lot more wars in sixty years. At least Vuk will be proud of us.

What should the Troika do anyway? I can see how what they do now is seen as madness but which alternative is actually better? Greece seems like a black hole for money so throwing more at it does not look like a solution to me.

I once read that 1 out of 4 commerical ships carries the Greek flag.

The shipping companies have enormeous tax benefits.

But blaming civil servants, immigrants, unemployed and the disabled is easier.

As always, instead of contributing their fair share, the elite prefers war. Makes you wonder what's so elite about the elite.

[Husar]

I thought the Troika just tells Greece to reduce spending and/or increase income in order to achieve a somewhat balanced budget.

I'm not sure whether they can force Greece to tax the shipping companies. And let's not forget that the rich shipping people will leave Greece for the next country to offer them cheap conditions and slave labor if they actually have to pay taxes. There's always some country that loves to sell out to them for short term profit. And for the Greeks this means that even the little taxes they do get fall away while unemployment rises, at least in the short and mid-term.

It's almost as though losing your credit rating while you are financially troubled turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy where you are doomed to fail.