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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    You should; because the Carribean countries are making the claim that the way they were treated by their respective colonial powers negatively affected their development.

    Ergo, to come at any meaningful answer to the question "how much did they harm us?", you have to weigh the positives as well.
    Ah, so in a case of child abuse, you would have to count the number of times daddy touched their nono's AND the number of stories he told at night...?
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Ah, so in a case of child abuse, you would have to count the number of times daddy touched their nono's AND the number of stories he told at night...?
    Again, you went there?

    What's going on here!?

    Did we start being stupid all at once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Ah, so in a case of child abuse, you would have to count the number of times daddy touched their nono's AND the number of stories he told at night...?
    Think it is more something like your great-great-great-great grandfather touched your great-great-great grandmother and now you want money because it clearly still affects you.

    The average GDP per capita of the Caribbean islands seems to be 4-5 times higher than the African nations where their ancestors originated. But of course that can be blamed on evil whitey too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBR
    Think it is more something like your great-great-great-great grandfather touched your great-great-great grandmother and now you want money because it clearly still affects you.
    No, that's not quite it.

    It would be more like this (8:50-9:20):

    Yes, to get the analogy right Britain would have to be an ancient vampire that terrorized peasants from distant lands, draining them of their lifesblood for its sustenance - but has since moderated its depredations considerably.

    But, you know, some people do have genuinely-long memories - like the Afghan who was certain that Britain has been engaged in Afghanistan the past decade as revenge for its defeat at Maiwand (2nd Anglo-Afghan War).

    On the other hand, those guys.
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    Think it is more something like your great-great-great-great grandfather touched your great-great-great grandmother and now you want money because it clearly still affects you.

    The average GDP per capita of the Caribbean islands seems to be 4-5 times higher than the African nations where their ancestors originated. But of course that can be blamed on evil whitey too!
    I don't care about the subject of this thread one bit, as I want no part of this nationalist wankfest celebrating some of the worst crimes against humanity in history.

    My comment was only about the notion that you have to weigh pros and cons when discussing a crime.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    I don't care about the subject of this thread one bit, as I want no part of this nationalist wankfest celebrating some of the worst crimes against humanity in history.

    My comment was only about the notion that you have to weigh pros and cons when discussing a crime.
    Yeah... If one threw himself flat catching someone falling off of a bridge, he obviously not only have to pay for the lightbulb he destroyed in the process, he should also get ridiculed and shamed for eons.

    This argument obviously isn't one of my better ones, I am just trying to connect to you on an even setting

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Ah, so in a case of child abuse, you would have to count the number of times daddy touched their nono's AND the number of stories he told at night...?
    Karl Marx was in favour of British rule over India because he thought that the suffering of current generations was worth the accelerated development that countless future generations would benefit from. I'd say that most colonial regimes, allthough horrorible, caused these countries to develop faster than they would have in isolation.

    Since Marx was a better (i.e. more) leftist than you, your argument requires no further rebuttal

    Quote Originally Posted by CBR View Post
    The average GDP per capita of the Caribbean islands seems to be 4-5 times higher than the African nations where their ancestors originated. But of course that can be blamed on evil whitey too!
    I was going to say something along the same lines, but I don't think that this adresses all of the issues.

    I think that at the time of emancipation (my country was, sadly, a lot slower than the Brits) the European powers had a responsibility towards those former slaves for what had been done to them. In addition, since they (in most cases) were still subject to the same European goverments, these governments had the same responsibility towards them as they do towards any of their whitey citizens in terms of education, providing a certain level of infrastructure and whatnot.

    In short, I think that if there should be reparations at all, it should be for any negligence from the moment of emancipation and onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    Karl Marx was in favour of British rule over India because he thought that the suffering of current generations was worth the accelerated development that countless future generations would benefit from. I'd say that most colonial regimes, allthough horrorible, caused these countries to develop faster than they would have in isolation.

    Since Marx was a better (i.e. more) leftist than you, your argument requires no further rebuttal
    Marx was full of shit anyway, his arguments are all invalid.

    He and his buddy also believed killing the entire population of eastern europe was a splendid idea.

    Not unlike so many English heroes...
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    He and his buddy also believed killing the entire population of eastern europe was a splendid idea.
    I believe killing everyone is a splendid idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    I believe killing everyone is a splendid idea.
    Certainly would settle the anthropogenic climate change stuff.
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