Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction

[Andres]

Well, as Horetore correctly notes, this is human/child trafficking pure and simple. It is a crime to be on either end of such a market exchange because of our basic belief -- acknowledged virtually everywhere -- that humans are not and should not be treated as property.

Sadly, the selling of one's children by poor families -- particularly the girl children -- has a long and cross-cultural history. Moreover, one of the saddest elements is that the sellers often believe, because of their own poverty-stricken status in most cases, that they are doing "the right thing" for their child. Sad.

Indeed, this thread is about child trafficking. A heinous crime.

It is kind of disgusting to ignore the real issue and abuse the story of this poor girl to go on a rant about gypsies.

[Kralizec]

What happened to the girl is awful of course, but I think that the criminal behaviour of certain Roma is a valid thread topic.

I remember another Gypsie thread from a long, long time ago. I made the argument that eastern-European countries should make a serious effort to integrate Roma into mainstream society (i.e. ensuring that their children attend school, using the police if necessary). It might cost a lot, but the costs of future generations of Roma continuing along the same path is a lot greater.

Sarmatian (I think) argued that eastern Europe is poorer than the west, and that spending a veritable buttload of money to force a small minority to adhere to the same norms as the overwhelming majority of people (such as attending school) is neither just or feasible.

I think he had a point.

[AntiDamascus]

Child slavery is one of the worst things ever. I don't have any real experience with gypsies or Roma so I can't say one way or the other.

[Greyblades]

I cannot comment on gypsies, the only exposure i get of the roma is through tv, and considering they've become the UK's version of honey boo-boo, I dont think I am seeing the complete picture.

I am mildly horrified (only mildly, the internet is one heck of a desensitiser) that child snatching is apparantly organized, my image of criminals having at least a smidgen of standards has been shattered.

[AntiDamascus]

My only exposure to them is the FullMetal Alchemist movie and frankly I'm ashamed to admit I watched it. All the women in that movie were hot though so I suspect it's not an accurate depiction based on photos of this couple I have seen.

[gaelic cowboy]

Any chance this thing is europewide

Girl removed from Roma family in Dublin

Gardaí have removed a seven-year-old blonde girl from a Roma family in Tallaght and placed her in care.
The action was taken after a member of the public raised concerns about the child living with the family.
It is highly unusual for gardaí to remove a child from a family, but they have a duty to do so in law under certain circumstances.
The Child Protection Unit at Tallaght Garda Station is leading the investigation.
The gardaí had had prior dealings with the family and at around 4.30pm on Monday officers called to the house.

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They spoke to the parents and saw there were a number of children in the house, one of whom was distinctive, a seven-year-old child with blonde hair and blue eyes.
The parents informed gardaí the child was their own and was born in 2006 at a city maternity hospital.
However, initial checks there failed to confirm this.
Gardaí were also dissatisfied with documents produced in relation to the child.
They spoke with a consultant at another Dublin hospital who informed them that while not impossible, it would be unusual for a Roma family to have a child with such contrasting features.
After two hours in the house, gardaí then decided to act under Section 12 of the Child Care Act and officials from the HSE took the child into care.
The child can remain in care for up to 28 days while the garda investigation continues.
The Government's Special Rapporteur for Child Protection has said the vast majority of children in the care system have been placed there under a voluntary care order.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Six One News, Geoffrey Shannon emphasised that no comment should be made on any case that is in process.
He said there is a very clear roadmap for what should happen when a child is taken into the care system.
He explained the circumstances under which gardaí can enter a home and take a child out of a family.
He said that if there is an immediate threat to the health or safety of a child and if gardaí have reasonable grounds to believe that this is the case, they can take the child to a place of safety.
He said the HSE then has two options. It must conduct an immediate investigation of the circumstances of the child.
If the HSE is satisfied that all issues are in order, then the child can be returned to the parents.
If this is not the case, the HSE must apply as soon as possible to the District Court, which has the power to grant an Emergency Care Order which can last up to a maximum of eight days.
A decision must then be made on whether to make an application for an Interim Care Order, which lasts for a period of 28 days.
Mr Shannon said the parents have to be consulted at every stage of these proceedings.
He said the HSE will conduct a very thorough investigation and if this reveals child protection concerns, the Interim Care Order can be extended for a further period of time.
Mr Shannon said these are very exceptional powers and their use is unusual.

[AntiDamascus]

High demand for blondes?

[Fragony]

Thread needs some thing positive. Vengo. Watch this movie.

Samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSokZ0iejvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otdeWphzoIs

[Sigurd]

The child was removed from the family because her features - blonde hair and blue eyes, contrasted with the other children in the home.

Woah there Ireland. It is not unheard of to have parents with dark features having a blond, blue eyed child.
My wife is an example of this. Mother dark hair with brown eyes and father auburn hair brown eyes. All siblings dark hair and brown eyes. She is herself blond with blue eyes.
She's heard all through her younger years that she might have been switched at the hospital, which I believe is only funny the first time but hurtful if it continues. But if you look into her family, you'll see that both her father and mother have blond siblings, and she looks like her grandmother on her mother's side.

This could get ugly if people start looking around for potential genetic mismatch. Look rather to mistreatment and abuse.
A particular case of a family from India comes to mind.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I wonder if they go after white kids because they will get more sympathy when begging?

As for the genetics issue, I have ginger(ish) hair, but both my parents have black hair, none of my grandparents had ginger hair either. Neither do my brothers. Then again my two eyes aren't even the same colour, so maybe I'm just some sort of ginger antichrist.

[HoreTore]

Woah there Ireland. It is not unheard of to have parents with dark features having a blond, blue eyed child.
My wife is an example of this. Mother dark hair with brown eyes and father auburn hair brown eyes. All siblings dark hair and brown eyes. She is herself blond with blue eyes.
She's heard all through her younger years that she might have been switched at the hospital, which I believe is only funny the first time but hurtful if it continues. But if you look into her family, you'll see that both her father and mother have blond siblings, and she looks like her grandmother on her mother's side.

This could get ugly if people start looking around for potential genetic mismatch. Look rather to mistreatment and abuse.
A particular case of a family from India comes to mind.

Indeed. They should read up on genetics. Here's a simple chart on genes and eye colour from Google University, showing how two brown-eyed parents can have blue-eyed children. The same applies to hair colour(and lots more).

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I wonder if they go after white kids because they will get more sympathy when begging?

As for the genetics issue, I have ginger(ish) hair, but both my parents have black hair, none of my grandparents had ginger hair either. Neither do my brothers. Then again my two eyes aren't even the same colour, so maybe I'm just some sort of ginger antichrist.

Nope, just a mutant.

[Fragony]

I wonder if they go after white kids because they will get more sympathy when begging?

As for the genetics issue, I have ginger(ish) hair, but both my parents have black hair, none of my grandparents had ginger hair either. Neither do my brothers. Then again my two eyes aren't even the same colour, so maybe I'm just some sort of ginger antichrist.

you are just upset because you have no soul.

[Papewaio]

I had (until I went Kojak) dark brown head hair and dark hazel eyes (ocean blue/grey with an inner brown).
Next brother had Ginger (another Bruce Willis hair cut) head hair and light hazel eyes.
Youngest bro had blonde hair (polar bear white until six, now dark ash blonde) and bright sky blue eyes.

So basing family on hair and eye colour is so 1930's European.

[Fragony]

Partner sharing is so seventies ;)

[Papewaio]

Partner sharing is so seventies ;)

I just turned forty last week so all I can say is:

I resemble the product of that remark. Lol

[Beskar]

For those unconvinced, DNA testing proved it wasn't their child.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Here's another twist.

It appears she might have been the daughter of Bulgarian Roma: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-Bulgaria.html

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Here's another twist.

It appears she might have been the daughter of Bulgarian Roma: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-Bulgaria.html

Wouldn't alter the child-trafficking issue even if they were part of the same co-culture.

Is it not possible for adoption to have been legally arranged? Or is that one of those things the Roma co-culture tends to skip doing?

[Sigurd]

Why do they colour the blond hair red? I noticed they did this to Maria as well but let it grow out blond. You can clearly see the red dye in maria's pig tails.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Why do they colour the blond hair red? I noticed they did this to Maria as well but let it grow out blond. You can clearly see the red dye in maria's pig tails.

My daughter likes to chalk in different colors a couple of times a month. Little girls seem to enjoy the color game. The photo above suggests that coloring her hair that shade of red would not have been an effort to make her seem to be more like "mom and dad."

[Brenus]

By the way, the child of the Irish Gypsy was their... Genetic can be tricky... The Police and social Workers give "it" back...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Why do they colour the blond hair red? I noticed they did this to Maria as well but let it grow out blond. You can clearly see the red dye in maria's pig tails.

I'm pretty sure this has to do with the "pale, blue-eyed" thing that darker-toned peoples seem to have. It's very well documented, you see it in the Iliad with Achilleus, in the Muslim Rulers of North Africa who got their sons on Frankish slaves, and inn the North American tribes who tended to snatch blond girls during raids. That the Roma were won't to do this in times gone past is well known, and not worth arguing. It appears in this case that the trade was internal, though.

It seems likely this child was not treated much worse than her "siblings", it's just that this Roma couple are terrible parents - but then by the looks of it so was her birth mother.

And good luck integrating them, we can't even do that here where most of them actually go to school, and even university these days.

[Kadagar_AV]

I wonder how many lost kids, or unexplained kids, one would find in gypsy communities if there was a total crack down on it.

[gaelic cowboy]

With regard to the case in ireland the child wasnt taken into care because she looked odd and its not a case of a heavy handed state rather it is the police and care workers acting on a seriouious allegation made to the gardai.
The guards arrived to the house on foot of a serious allegation made about a family already "KNOWN" to the authorities the family could not provide any evidence and the hospital was unable to backup there claim of parentage. Now the guards are in a bind do the leave the child and obtain the neccessary legal rite to obtain dna evidence or do they err on the side of caution and place the child in state care and obtain there evidence. Obviously the had to place the child in care where they had a doubt as to the safety of the child.

Essentially this is a case of the system actually working however the allegations made to the authorities by members of the public through a journalist were essentially hysteria. This is an example of why you shoud not waste police time potentially this could harm the careers of some members of the force for following proper procedure.

[Pannonian]

With regard to the case in ireland the child wasnt taken into care because she looked odd and its not a case of a heavy handed state rather it is the police and care workers acting on a seriouious allegation made to the gardai.
The guards arrived to the house on foot of a serious allegation made about a family already "KNOWN" to the authorities the family could not provide any evidence and the hospital was unable to backup there claim of parentage. Now the guards are in a bind do the leave the child and obtain the neccessary legal rite to obtain dna evidence

They have legal rites in Ireland? I knew the church and state were close over there, but I never knew they were that close. Do the rites involve animal sacrifice?

[Papewaio]

They have legal rites in Ireland? I knew the church and state were close over there, but I never knew they were that close. Do the rites involve animal sacrifice?

It does. The cells that contain the DNA could have became a person...

[Kadagar_AV]

Do the rites involve animal sacrifice?

Dunno about sacrifice, but they sure gulp gulp gulp pretend blood like as if it was a alcoholic beverage

[gaelic cowboy]

They have legal rites in Ireland? I knew the church and state were close over there, but I never knew they were that close. Do the rites involve animal sacrifice?

ya its the church of the unreformed smarty pants

[Sigurd]

My daughter likes to chalk in different colors a couple of times a month. Little girls seem to enjoy the color game. The photo above suggests that coloring her hair that shade of red would not have been an effort to make her seem to be more like "mom and dad."

But the child is too young to consider hair colour... Its not an effort to make her look more like her parents, but maybe obfuscate a major attribute for those looking for a baby girl with white hair. Red being more believable than dark on a child with very light features (skin, eyelashes, eyebrows), all though I must admit that it is too noticeable.